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Louisville Slugger, pick handle or crowbar?

Discussion in 'Non-Firearm Weapons' started by Boattale, Nov 9, 2020.

  1. Boattale

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    My mind wanders sometimes. This time it's towards a defensive / other purpose item in common circulation. At lease one of all three are at my house and could if needed, be pressed into a personal, animal or home defense role.

    The Louisville Slugger is an old 36" 32 oz. ash baseball bat.

    The easy to get to pick handle is also 36" in length and weighs 34 oz. It's hickory.

    Multi crowbars here but if there was ever a rumble out at the shop, I'd pick up the one that's 35" long and weighs a solid 74 ounces of 1" octagonal steel bar that's crowbar hardened with appropriate toughness.

    The Louisville Slugger, while nothing to dismiss on any level is just plain not first choice. In an out of the way storage place and it's becoming an heirloom. But would it do the job. Well they surely have now and again.

    The pick handle has a lanyard for hanging and retention. Handle end is grooved about 12" up from the butt. The slightly oval shape is a plus. No one needs to point out the history of the pick handle as a weapon, and so I won't. In a pinch, you could actually use it as a pick handle.

    Now to the crowbar. Of them all, it's the one I would fear the most. But it's so damned heavy. And not really grippy. I'm not at all sure I would go to it first. As a tool to never be without, it's top five for sure.

    Other tools come to mind too of course. I have a shovel that's the functional equivalent of a broad axe for example. Forged very straight steel blade and shank, solid fiberglass short D handle. Sharp as any axe on all sides of the blade. It's chopped a lot of roots and would take a severe toll on body parts if ever put to that use.

    So, forgive me for my wondering and dark wandering, and do share any thoughts you might care to!
     
  2. .38 Special

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    I think it's too easy for an attacker to get inside any kind of club, especially something as heavy and slow as a crowbar. If I were to choose a gardening implement for defense, it would probably be a machete - or maybe your shovel.
     
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  3. hso

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    Yep, not a good choice. Something quick with a quick recovery that you can swing within a room or hall would be a good choice.
     
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    The biggest wrench you have... Mine is 1 and 9/16s and about 20 inches long. Ends form a good pommel.

    Or the 22oz ball pein hammer.

    Or the 24" breaker bar.
     
  6. edwardware

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    Yup. It's too heavy and slow.

    A light (fast) 12"-18"ish tire knocker is perfect. Aluminium is a good alternative. Unless you're fighting a masonry statue, heavy steel is not helpful in a striking weapon.
     
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    My cane, 34 inches of 1.5 diameter oak.
    And I continue to train in its use.;)
     
  8. .38 Special

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    My worry about a club is that if it is heavy enough to do real damage, it is going to be very slow. Conversely, if it is light enough to be useful, it might not be capable of a decisive blow. I really do think that if I am forced to use a a makeshift weapon at close range, I want it to be sharp!
     
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    Training is everything with serious use of impact weapons if you're not Humongus.
     
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    Fear not. A good buddy that was 5th Group told me a remarkable story about how handy an aluminum peewee league bat was in Somalia. Easily wielded one handed, blindingly fast, and able to shatter forearms and skulls. More feared than knives, swords, or guns since they were like some techworld devil weapon leaving convulsing bodies on the ground after a distinctive "PING!".
     
  11. Boattale

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    I went to high school with a guy who was beat to death with hammers by a bunch of 20 somethings. By all accounts, it took a while and was quite a fight. More leverage I think.
     
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  12. Boattale

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    I've killed a lot of raccoons with a small aluminum bat. People though, are not raccoons.
     
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  13. Boattale

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    What does it weigh?
     
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    3.5 lbs.
     
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  15. bikerdoc

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    Don't know.
    I will weight it tomorrow.
     
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  16. hso

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    Nope, and neither have I. OTOH, according to him (and this is not a braggart) he left a few overly aggressive Somalis seizing on the ground after applying one.
     
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    I know a guy who was nearly beaten to death with baseball bats. Neither one will be pleasant and i'd be terrified of someone wielding either if i was unarmed.

    Something heavy and short or long and rigid will do damage. A sledgehammer would be a terrible choice.

    I have a piece of oak lumber I carved a handle into. Its 2x3 and about 30" long. I found it washed up after a flood looking like it had been submerged for a little while. Its a perfect weighted club... For two hands. With one, it is unwieldly. It would hurt, but not do as much damage as a ball bat. Its too heavy and or too long. Being shorter would increase its usefulness.

    As a kid, I was helping my dad throw sticks into the burn pile. I threw a 1.5" diameter by 5" long and hit him square at the base of the skull. Knocked him unconscious for a few seconds. I was four or five. Anything dense will do damage.
     
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  18. Corpral_Agarn

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    axe handle or cane (I have a cane for working cattle in chutes)
     
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    The doc has recommended that I carry a cane on my walks since I had a bad fall a couple of months ago. I have started to read up on cane fighting recently. The one good thing about a cane is that you can pretty much take it anywhere. I currently have an old wooden crook cane and I am researching whether that should be replaced with something more effective. A heavy ball pommel sounds promising, but I am not sure if it will be as good in the support role.
     
  20. Armored farmer

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    I have a sledgehammer handle 'tire thumper' in my semi, a store-bought tire thumper in another, and a ball pein in the third semi. They are for thumping tires.....but they can also serve other needs.
    My pickup has a 16" length of ⅜" log chain... ooooh, its my favorite. It fits in a coat pocket too, fyi.
     
  21. Shanghai McCoy

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    I'll vote pick handle cause, "There's nothing like a good piece of hickory." ;)
     
  22. Fiv3r

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    I have spent most of my adult life and all of my youth swinging a tool of some kind. As a contractors son who joined the business, I know my way around a piece of hickory.

    I would opt for the pick handle of your choices. I have an old crowbar that was my old man's 45 years ago when he was a spry 20-something. The bar has been warped and bowed by the sheer muscle my Herculean father would put on it. If swung, especially by him circa 1974, it would nearly knock a man in two.

    Now I would have opted to go with that not so long ago. I was gifted my dad's arm and probably could have whipped it around in a pinch. However, at 4 decades, I am learning the limitations of life. A medium piece of hickory with a good bit of muscle behind it will trump a whistling miss with your whole body mass behind a piece of heavy steel.

    Then again, my bump in the night non-firearm is a short sword.
     
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    I keep a sawed off axe handle in the back of the truck. It is ash and it is straight. It serves two primary purposes. A load pusher.. Item you can't reach in the back of the truck? Use it to poke it to where I can reach it. Second, do you really want to drop that nice bag of clean ice on the ground to loosen things up? Nope, use the stick. A couple bangs and your good to go. Thirdly, if something needs persuasion, like a rabid dog or coyote, it might work well for that too.
     
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    My Dad, no stranger to hands on work, preferred a four foot section of green bamboo for an all purpose door defender. He said it was quick, fast striking, and un-breakable in action.... He also pointed out that cops in the orient could strike with it in two handed mode so quickly that their target might get hit three or more times before they could strike back once. They wielded it like a samurai handled a sword...

    Wish he was still around....
     
  25. hso

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    I've modified several straight grain hickory stock canes for folks to serve as both support and defensive canes. Measure for length and cut the end square and sand lightly to fit a piece of copper tubing with a bit of glue in place and slip a small rubber tip over it. Cut the end of the crook at an angle just past where it straightens out so it has a chisel point. Sand and finish as desired.
     
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