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M1 Carbine or Camp 45?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Dr_2_B, Dec 7, 2012.


M1 Carbine or Ruger Camp 45?

Poll closed Oct 3, 2013.
  1. M1 carbine

    171 vote(s)
  2. Camp 45

    35 vote(s)
  3. Try as I might, I just can't reduce my answer to one of the above. Please see my response below

    3 vote(s)
  1. Dr_2_B

    Dr_2_B Participating Member

    Jan 4, 2006
    This is just a passing thought I had tonight. An idle curiosity. Would you rather have an M1 Carbine or a [edited] Camp 45? I'm intentionally leaving the purpose somewhat vague, but I'm talking about real-life use rather than competition or something. I'm imagining home defense, ranch use, the like.

    To make it equitable, let's say either could have 10 round or 15 round mags. And why would you choose the one you do?
    Last edited: Dec 7, 2012
  2. firesky101

    firesky101 Participating Member

    Nov 21, 2011
    Marlin camp 45 is what I think you meant to say. But I would take the M1 anyways. Still very effective at close range, but has a lot longer legs than the .45 cap.
  3. Devonai

    Devonai Senior Member

    Mar 24, 2003
    I can't imagine the Marlin would stand up to the same kind of abuse as an M1 Carbine. For occasional use, then the intended range is the only real issue. However, and correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it generally more difficult to find a Camp .45 these days than an M1?
  4. chris in va

    chris in va Mentor

    Mar 4, 2005
    Louisville KY
    After watching an M1 carbine blast powder into a guy's face due to an out of battery firing, I cannot recommend one. Voted for the 45.
  5. Devonai

    Devonai Senior Member

    Mar 24, 2003
    With all due respect, that's a false dichotomy. Given one of each rifle, in perfect condition, a fair comparison can be made. One incident with one rifle does not a pattern make. I can certainly understand why such an incident would give you pause, but there are too many variables to categorically reject the M1 Carbine based on one injurious occurrence.

    A legitimate discussion could be had on the relative merits of relying on a military surplus M1, considering the potential problems involved with 70+ year old parts that may have experienced hard use. For the purposes of this thread, however, the only fair comparison is that between new or like new rifles.
  6. 56hawk

    56hawk Participating Member

    Mar 29, 2011
    While on the weak side, the 30 carbine is still a rifle round. The 45 ACP is a pistol round and gains little or nothing from the rifle length barrel. In fact with some ammo 45 ACP will actually be slower from the longer barrel. So, short of running a suppressor, I can't really see any situation where the Camp Carbine would be desirable over the M1.
  7. rswartsell

    rswartsell Senior Member

    Mar 4, 2008
    North Carolina
    The .30 carbine in a walk. Good luck with paying a reasonable price at this late date.

    The .45 ACP is great in 1911's and disappoints as a carbine round.

    The .30 carbine round disappoints as a rifle round, but your whole post says what is the better compromise and the answer is the .30 carbine.
  8. rcmodel

    rcmodel Member in memoriam

    Sep 17, 2007
    Eastern KS
    While neither is still in production as such.

    The M1 Carbine was a military issue weapon that worked reliably in at least three wars (WWII, Korea, and Vietnam) and innumerable "police actions" all over the world.

    If a Camp carbine breaks, it is likely to stay broke for quite some time while you try to find parts to fix it.

    If a M1 Carbine breaks, which is very unlikely after three wars of product testing?

    You can get parts from any of several sources by the crate full, if you have enough money.

    As for power?
    It has way more power then a .357 Magnum revolver or .45 ACP pistol.
    And it holds 30 rounds instead of just 6, or 7.

    As for accuracy?
    Go stand out there at 200 yards and state which one you would rather be shot at with?
    I bet it won't be the M1 Carbine!

  9. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Elder

    Aug 11, 2005
    Elbert County, CO
    The military rifle did. Commercially produced M1 carbines are another matter entirely. I have only seen a handful that were decent and would run reliably.

    I'd take my Camp 45 over any commercial M1 carbine. Versus a FA M2, though? That math is easy.

    Of course, I prefer an AR to both for any purpose.
  10. mavracer

    mavracer Senior Member

    Jan 9, 2007
    I sold my Camp Carbine because I got a M1 carbine.
  11. jon86

    jon86 Active Member

    Feb 14, 2010
    I dont have any experience with any of these guns. However, if I found them each for a good price, and was considering them for the same roles, I'd take the M1 Carbine. I'll admit it, it has almost nothing to do with ballistics.

    I think M1 carbines look cool.

    And for their historical significance.

    I keep thinking that an AR15 would do a better job though.
  12. jimwill48

    jimwill48 New Member

    Oct 18, 2009
    Have both :evil:
  13. Furncliff

    Furncliff Senior Member

    Dec 10, 2005
    Western Slope of Colorado
    I like pistol caliber carbines, and currently own three. I would trade my Camp 9 and Hi Point .45 for a M1 Carbine.
    I was looking to duplicate the M1 Carbines characteristics for something much less than the 650-800+ dollars they go for.
    That was a mistake.
  14. SHR970

    SHR970 Member

    Mar 25, 2011
    M1 in a heart beat.

    I have a Camp 9 and an M1.

    The Camp carbine trigger guard is made of ABS plastic...more than one solvent will melt it. If you need to reassemble one you'll need four hands and five slave pins to get it back together.

    The Camp is a 100 yard gun; the carbine 200+.

    The Camp needs its recoil buffer; you'll want to get spares.

    The Camp doesn't do +P or hot ammo...Buffalo Bore et. al. is out of the question. The M1 has a definite power advantage.

    Camp 45's have been known to crack their stocks...the M1's are not as delicate.

    The Camp 45 is a blowback gun...The M1 is gas operated.
  15. SHR970

    SHR970 Member

    Mar 25, 2011
    Chris in Va...do you know the gun that was the subject of your repeated in many posts insistence that the M1 is unsafe? Do you know what the then owner had done in regards to maintenance, modifications, etc? Do you know if the gun was inspected after the incident by a competent smith and what the determination was?

    To the out of battery shot issue...I've seen a Garand and a Tupperware gun do that too. When a Garand fires out of battery it gets every ones attention.

    Considering over 6 million M1s were made during WWII, they were shipped all over the world, used in three wars, used and abused by God knows whom, then they came back 40- 60+ years later, then tinkered with by God knows whom, I think that to pillory every M1 based on one incident is a very unfair broad brush to paint all M1's with.
  16. Batty67

    Batty67 Member

    Aug 8, 2011
    Northern VA
    I have both. The M1 is an Auto Ordnance and has been made to be tacticool (to a limited extent). Very accurate, somewhat fussy with ammo. More than I'd like.

    My Camp 45 is a recent addition and I love it. With the 21-pd spring and replaced recoil I can shoot +P rounds all day long. I even shoot Super 45 out of it. But sparingly. Once I'm out I'll stick with +P for HD. Very reliable, accurate, but runs filthy given its design.
  17. RCArms.com

    RCArms.com Active Member

    Oct 14, 2009
    Having had both at one time, I still own 4 M1 carbines and the Marlin camp9 and camp 45 rifles have been sold off.

    For every imaginable purposes, the M1 carbine is, IMHO, the clear winner.

    Think of it as an auto-loading .357 Magnum and you begin to see the advantages.

  18. chieftain

    chieftain Participating Member

    Dec 25, 2002
    The Free State of Arizona
    I also own both. My M1 carbine was made in 1943 by national postal meter. Paid an arm and a leg for it, fifty bucks not quite 20 years ago.

    Got the Marlin 45 about 12 years ago. The stock was beginning to split, so I put it in a high quality Chote folding stock.

    Not surprisingly, the M1 is much more reliable with either 15 or 30 round "actual" GI magazines.

    And, the M1's ballistics just blows the 45 out of the water. For serious social intercourse, I like Cor-Bon's DPX load.

    The Marlin is fun, the M1 is more fun, reliable, and of course, history.

    Good luck.

  19. jerrard

    jerrard New Member

    Dec 7, 2009
    L. A.
    I have had my G I carbine (Inland) since 1967. Have had only a hand full of stovepipes and
    failure to feed up to now. I broke a M2 bolt at the extractor. I can't begin to estimate how many
    thousands of rounds have been through it. It would not be near my first choice for
    hunting or defense but I enjoy shooting it more than any other rifle I have ever shot.
  20. stiab

    stiab Active Member

    Dec 9, 2007
    That's incorrect, but a common misconception. I have owned two .45 Camp Carbines, and ran actual chonograph tests on many .45acp factory rounds in comparison with a 4" S&W Model 625 revolver. Athough I don't have the actual numbers with me now because I am traveling, the average gain was about 200 fps from the Camp Carbine. Winchester WB ran at over 1100 fps. That is a significant improvement.

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