M1 Carbine or Camp 45?

[ghitch75]

if you have a 1911 get a Mech-Tech carbine......oh i have a camp 45 too

 

[SharpsDressedMan]

Routine accuracy from the two leaves the carbine about twice as accurate as the Marlin at 50 or 100 yards, and it is only downhill for the Marlin beyond that range. I've owned, shot, and handloaded for both, and just could not get the Marlin to group as well beyond 40-50 yards.

 

[ghitch75]

and just could not get the Marlin to group as well beyond 40-50 yards

you must have got a bad or i got a good one.....my 850fps 230gr LRN would hold 2" at 100y....Mech-Tech just a little better...

 

[Robbins290]

i choose camp 45. for simply more common ammo to gather and scavenge

 

[Swampman]

Originally posted by rswartsell:
What a lot of divergant crap. Several posts about how to make the .45 ACP a carbine round? Seriously?

Why is it "divergent crap" to talk about the .45 acp as a carbine round when the original post was about the .30 US Carbine and a .45 acp......carbine?

Originally posted by rswartsell:
I'm a very BIG fan of .45 ACP for 1911's

And speaking of divergent crap...

Originally posted by rswartsell:
As a carbine round? You lose! The .30 Carbine in ANY barrel over 5" is FAR superior.

When you specifically state " The .30 Carbine in ANY barrel over 5" is FAR superior." don't be surprised when people naturally assume that is what you think and that you'd rather use a six inch Ruger Blackhawk than a .45 acp 1911, because THAT'S WHAT YOU SAID! It shoots .30 Carbine, it has a barrel and that barrel is over five inches long. According to what YOU wrote it "is FAR superior" to a .45 acp.

Originally posted by rswartsell:
Then you get into comparing to a .357 in a lever carbine. Well thats outside of the OP's dimensions, ain't it?

I re-read the thread, YOURS was the ONLY reference to a .357 carbine up to that point. There had been two posts prior to that mentioning the .357, one by rcmodel and one by RCArms.com, BOTH of them praised the M1 Carbine and used the .357 only as a standard for comparison.

Would anyone care for another helping of pure, steaming and unadulterated "divergent crap"?

Originally posted by rswartsell:
Swampman, what I am getting at is simply this. For carbine applications the .30 Carbine is obviously superior. Sorry that was lost on you. If you disagree, knock yourself out on .45 acp carbines. I don't care. Just don't expect to sell me on any proposition that you are getting better or even equal performance.

If you wanted to say that the .30 Carbine was a superior carbine round why didn't you do so and leave it at that? At least say something relevant or meaningful to the thread, heck, for a change of pace you could even try saying something intelligent.

Speaking of the .30 Carbine rounds superiority to the .45 acp in any barrel over five inches, and then acting like I'm dense because I don't understand what you MEANT to say is a crock.
T-H-I-S * I-S * P-R-I-N-T, don't accuse me of being unable to read or comprehend just because you didn't express yourself clearly.

Originally posted by rswartsell:
If it's important to you to "win" a rhetorical argument, you can have that too. Just give me the .30 carbine.

Yeah...about that...

Originally posted by Swampman:
I voted M1 by a mile

If you'd actually read what I wrote, rather than assuming that anyone who disagrees with your poorly written, nonsensical and insulting posts is "against" the .30 Carbine, I wouldn't even be writing this.

Heck, if you'd just read YOUR OWN posts before hitting "Submit Reply", I wouldn't be writing this!

Originally posted by rswartsell:
For handgun applications, I will reverse field and go the other way. In a handgun the .30 Carbine doesn't earn (justify) all the downside.

You're in politics, aren't you?

 

[Dr_2_B]

rswartsell & swampman,

Thanks for your thoughtful replies. May I invite you to continue your discussions with one-another through private message (PM)?

 

[mavracer]

I'd like to voice my thoughts to clear up a little about 45 velocity from longer barrels most 45 loadings are going to reach full velocity in ~10" barrel, some will drop as they get to 16" so while saying that velocity drops off going to a 16" barrel is true, it's missleading as velocity from a 16" barrel will almost always be higher than out of a 5".

IMHO without the caliber contraversy the M1 is a far better suited SD weapon. the double stack mag design and reliability give it a huge edge.
My Camp Carbine wouldn't run dirty.