Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by JCooperfan1911, Jun 6, 2021.
I really believe bullet selection is better in .308" than .31". But in the end, they're so close it's probably a matter of choosing between a semi auto and a lever gun.
M1 Carbines are already being made by 2 or 3 commercial companies. Not sure there's room for another.
Yup - an excellent argument for a real rifle round. The M1 carbine is more expensive, less reliable, and less effective than the obvious alternatives. Maybe in some world that's "viable" but I'll pass.
If it had the lackluster accuracy of the mini 14/30?
I agree though a decent copy might sell and ruger makes a fine overweight gun. The M1 carbine would be perfect for them.
I love the M1. I despise the AR. But the AR is just better for what it's used for. I see absolutely no advantage the m1 carbine has over it now. I just prefer wood and steel. Over plastic and aluminum.
But the m1 carbine is a classic. It can Certainly work fine. Dads winchester is his main gun.
Well considering the Fulton match grade Carbines have a 3 MOA guarantee that might be an upgrade.
Lol. No joking. Thats not stellar. I don't know that I've seen a mini 14 that would best 3 MOA though. Not consistently.
And i know for sure that the two mini 30 ive had in my shop wouldn't come close with the trashy steel cased ammo they were using.
Ultimak makes a rail for them that would allow a light and a red dot. That would bring them a bit more current.
Im not to worried about overpenetration, and in fact, Id rather have it. Under penetration on the other hand might be an issue in some instances. Thats the main reason I don't use a pistol caliber long gun for that use anymore.
My two commercial M1's and one of my USGI models will group under 3" @ 100 and under 6" at 200. The Iver Johnson has done 10 consecutive shots in a little under 6" and recently a 5 shot group a little under 5", both at 200...that with the coarse sights. Plenty good for a PDW.
What's "best" sometimes comes down to personal preference. I own three AR's but just generally don't care for them at all, especially for a PDW where on doesn't need to shoot gnats in the ass at 300 yds. As such I handle a Carbine better and am just generally more comfortable with them. If I were limited to one long gun would it be a Carbine, nope.
Rotary magazine would take care of that.
I really believe bullet selection is better in .308" than .31"
Well one cannot go heavier than 110/115 for .308 in the carbine.
Was cleaning out my gun stuff and came across this bandolier of .30 cal m1 carbine ammo on stripper clips. It's marked LC 52 and doesnt appear to be the chinese knockoff stuff.
.30 Carbine Data
Buffalo Bore makes available a 125 gr. load for the Carbine too, and they even have a heavy load for the .327 Federal.
This is a lineup of the three bullets I load in my Carbine-
(L-R) 118 gr. 110 gr. 125 gr.
Due to its reliability in cycling and its pistol cartridge, this thing would make a superb home defense weapon.
Be interesting if someone in the aftermarket could make a light mount that fits the bayonet mounts for carbines that have them.
I think I've heard both bad and good said about many firearms the military has used. My father once opined that Thompson SMGs would make pretty good boat anchors.
Actually, P5 Guy makes a good point. If the 327 (.312") is roughly the same diameter as a 30 carbine (.308) and the Carbine velocities are close to the same (1990 fps & 967 fpe). I'm using the data from Midway USA for a 110 gr JSP (yep, soft point).
(Btw, this ammo is listed as available right now.)
And if we compare that to some .327 ballistics tables.
So let's use the .327 mag 115 grain bullet at 1880 fps that P5 Guy used since we'll gain velocity with a longer barrel. What I'm really seeing is the 30 Carbine as a ballistic twin of the 327 Federal.
So my question becomes, How can a six shot revolver loaded with 327 Federal rounds be touted as a great self defense option (I've read that in many gun rags and forums) but the lowly 30 Carbine ballistic twin with a 15 or 30 round mag, loaded with soft points is so yesterday (I'm not picking on P5 Guy but I have heard people say that when talk of the 30 Carbine comes up). And yes, the 327 has a better selection of bullets and loadings... Imagine what manufacturers could do with the 30 carbine if they just put a little more effort into it.
So for HD or a knock about ranch rifle, why not? Better choices? With a fat enough wallet there's always better choices. But would it work in a pinch? Absolutely, it would!
So "Rock On" 30 Carbine users, if it's reliable, use it.
absolutely no one should be recommending an M1 Carbine in 2021.
Just the ammo is likely worth 70-75¢ per round.
Militaria collector might offer more for the strippers and the bandolier (the strippers, individually, are about $2.50 each; the bandolier about $5-10. All matching, ammo lot number on the bandolier, worth maybe $20 more as a collectable.
Your Mileage May Vary
Now, if you had the matching metal ammo can, marked to match, that would be worth $20-25 all by its lonesome.
These Israelis might be private security, based on info seen elsewhere. No idea when this photo was taken, or whether these gents
(and/or people with carbines in other photos) still carry M-1 Carbines.
They are much easier to aim than any handgun-allegedly one reason they were issued to so many people in WW2 serving in non-combat jobs.
P5 guy: My quotes aren't working, and you suggested that Ruger build a carbine in 357 Fed. Mag.
Isn't the old Ruger 44 supposed to be effective against both People and Deer at typical (US) civilian self-defense distances, if not further?
Here is the 44 above an M-1 Carbine. I got to shoot whoever's 44 when age 15 or so, but the gun bug didn't "bite" until age 52.
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