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M1 Carbine: Wolff or USGI Recoil Spring?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Maverick223, Jul 6, 2010.

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  1. Maverick223

    Maverick223 Member

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    My M1 Carbine has been failing to go completely into battery a few times lately, so I believe it is the recoil spring. Ironically it only seems to occur when someone else is shooting it (limp shouldering? :p), but I am loosing faith in the old carbine, so I believe a replacement is in order. Normally I would go straight to Wolff for a XP spring, but I have heard that the M1 can have difficulty with ejection when these are used. There are also new USGI springs available, so I have a decision to make.

    Does anyone have experience with the Wolff spring, and if so, has it been a good or bad one?

    This thread seems a bit boring so I figured I would throw in a photo...photos are always a good thing:

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  2. shootr

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    Dunno about springs, but mighty nice looking carbine there!
     
  3. rondog

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    I can't speak of their carbine springs, but Wolff has a reputation of offering the best springs in the gun biz. I'd imagine it would be a safe bet. Might as well get a kit to replace them all. Trigger spring will require a special tool. Get more info about all things M1 carbine on the CMP forums.
     
  4. Maverick223

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    Thank you for the compliment, shootr, and the information, rondog.

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  5. Trebor

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    I'd go with a new Wolf spring, but I'd get a standard power spring and not an extra power spring.

    I believe Wolf makes standard power carbine springs. If not, then I'd go with a GI spring. Extra power springs often cause problems so I don't understand why they are popular.
     
  6. Maverick223

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    I do not see standard springs listed in Wolff's catalogue, so I assume they have never made, or have discontinued, them. The more I think about it, the more I believe that you are right...JE Browning (JM Browning's brother), and the folks at Winchester that finished his work, designed the carbine right to begin with; when operating as it should, there is little room left for improvement on those old carbines.

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  7. TIMC

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    I have an aftermarket carbine. A few years ago I bought a GI bolt kit and a set of wolff springs for it: she sloots lime new again. You can't go wrong with wolff springs.
     
  8. IQ45

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    I replaced all of the springs in my dad's with the Wolff kit. She functions flawlessly. Would like to get a different follower for the factory mag so the bolt stays open after the last round. Wonder if some of the ejection problems others have may be magazine related?
     
  9. Maverick223

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    If it is a Universal Carbine, then that doesn't apply, they use a dual recoil spring system that was designed much weaker than the single spring system of the original USGI pattern carbine. I do however appreciate your input and advice, nonetheless.

    Absolutely, in my experience most issues are magazine related...mine on the other hand are not. All my magazines are good quality USGI or new Korean manufacture and are in good working order.

    I use magazines with the BHO (bolt hold open) follower on my primary defense 15rnd magazine, as well as my 30rnd "plinker" magazines. The 30s came with the BHO follower installed, I robbed the one for the 15 rounder out of a 5rnd magazine that IMHO doesn't need it. FWIW, I have the 5rnd magazine for use as a hunting magazine, should I take a recoil shy individual hunting.

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  10. Maverick223

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    BUMP for more input...

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    Well, I just read a similar thread somewhere else, and the recommendations there leaned towards using new USGI recoil springs only. Seems a lot of the aftermarket recoil springs for carbines are "new and improved stronger springs", and they tend to cause stovepiping of the empty cases. Soooo, perhaps a Wolff might not be the best idea, unless it's USGI spec. and not an extra strength spring.
     
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    Replaced my GI spring with a Wolff extra power one several years ago--for more reliable functioning.

    I shoot factory Winchester HPs or warm reloads with H110 and SP bullets. Function is 100%.
     
  13. Maverick223

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    Seems like it is a pretty even split. I'm waffling back and forth, about the time I petty well have my mind made up, someone makes me question the decision. I might just have to get one of each for testing...but alas I haven't found a retailer that offers both.

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    I beg to differ but it does apply. A GI bolt kit will work in the Universal the only difference is 2 recoil springs on the Universal instead of one on the GI and Wolff does sell them for the GI carbine too, they even have extra power springs available. So to answer your question; yes Wolff springs are really good.
     
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    If I came off as a smart-a$$ that was not my intention, I really do appreciate the input. I was just saying that they are not the same, so because one works well doesn't mean the other will do likewise.

    Thank you for the info greyling22, FA is likely where I will purchase a USGI spring if I go that route.

    :)
     
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    GO for Wolff Springs.
     
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    I'd put in a new USGI spring. But then I'm the kind of person who doesn't fix what isn't broken. ;)

    I agree here is a 1943 Underwood.

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  19. Maverick223

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    Nice looking carbine CZguy, now I am starting to lean back towards the GI spring. It's cheaper (not that cost is a big issue here), has worked for decades, and is about as close as you can come to a sure thing.

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    I have 3 GI Carbines, all with Wolff extra power recoil springs. All run like tops.
     
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    Just to make the question a bit more difficult, I removed and measured my current recoil spring. It clocks in right at 10in. long. It appears that this is the minimum length. New USGI springs are reported to vary from 10.25in. to 10.75in. in length; does anyone know the length of a new Wolff spring?

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  22. Orlando

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    Wolff extra power Op Rod springs "may" cause short stroking in a Garand.
    Personally I would just go with a USGI Spring

    Is rifle clean and properly lubed?
    Gas piston free?
    What ammo are you using?
     
  23. Maverick223

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    Too late...I just placed the order for a Wolff. I went to checkout on the FultonArmory and decided that I didn't want to pay $10.00 shipping for a $5.00 spring. Wolff shipped their $8.00 spring for $4.00, now that's more like it. Worse case scenario I should be able to snip 1 or two coils off the spring to ensure proper function.

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  24. Orlando

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    Its alos possibleif the bolt is gummed up inside the extractor isn't going over the cartridge rim so the bolt isn't closing and is staying out of battery.
    Just something else to consider
     
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    Wolff:
    US M1 CARBINE, RIFLE SERVICE PAK 17.99
    US M1 CARBINE, XP RECOIL SPRING Pak of 1 8.49

    Fulton Armory:
    Recoil Spring, New, G.I. 4.95

    Don't take this the wrong way, but you might be over-thinking this one.
    Why not buy both and do some experimenting?
     
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