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M1A optics?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by kimberfan, Mar 26, 2008.

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what optic?

Poll closed Mar 28, 2008.
  1. Eotech 512 AA

    7 vote(s)
    50.0%
  2. Aimpoint ML3 2 MOA dot

    2 vote(s)
    14.3%
  3. Aimpoint C3 2 MOA dot

    1 vote(s)
    7.1%
  4. other?

    4 vote(s)
    28.6%
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  1. kimberfan

    kimberfan Member

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    ok so i want a reflex sight for my M1A

    which of the above would you go with?

    its a M1A standard 22inch and there gonna be on a scout mount
     
  2. H2O MAN

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    You may need a cheek rest... that said, lighter is better - wait for the
    Aimpoint Micro T to have a smaller 1 or 2 MOA dot and go with that :cool:
     
  3. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

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    Aimpoint for durability and ease of use. Eotech for precision. Depends on which you want.

    Really, the red dot doesn't play to the rifle's strengths, but I think it would still work juuuust fine with one.
     
  4. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

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    BTW, what mount? I was stoked about the Ultimak mount until I heard that it was a solid pound. I may still be stoked about it, but not quite as much if that figure is correct. Haven't decided for sure.

    Mike
     
  5. possum

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    i think the op means the scout mount that comes on the scout models, which can be bought and put on any of the m1a models.

    i am a huge fan of the eotech and that is what i would reccomend. you don't have to worry about a mount it has an intregal one, so that will save you some dough, plus the 1 moa dot will assist you in getting good solid hits pretty far out there.
     
  6. Coronach

    Coronach Moderator Emeritus

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    Something I just thought of...

    The Aimpoint will allow you to get very low over the barrel/receiver. The Eotech sits higher, and may require you to use a cheek piece.

    Mike
     
  7. Wes Janson

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    It also depends on which mount you use. The Ultimak is definitely lower than the Springfield factory mount, as I recall. Then again, it does weight about a pound. The M1A is already a hefty rifle, and once you add a pound of rail, and a pound of optic, you're looking at roughly 11-12 pounds minimum, unloaded.

    It's too bad there aren't any long eye relief ACOGs.
     
  8. kimberfan

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    yes i do mean the scout mount from springfield mainly because its cheaper and lighter then the ultimak.

    accuracy is a big player in this thats why i want a 2 MOA dot or less.

    i have $550 ish to spend for everything.
     
  9. MassMark

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    If you don't at least look into a Trijicon Tripower, you're really missing out on what could be the perfect sight for you. I was blessed with open-ended opportunities to test all three on my M1A SOCOM before buying, (great friends are well, great). None of the three were perfect, but the Trijicon was the best of the three in my opinion. The Eotech had a tendency to wash under sustained fire, (the Scout mount gets toasty) and I feel they are better suited to the AR-15/M-16 platform where cooler heads prevail. Plus, the Eotech seemed too busy for me. The Aimpoint was really nice - solid and ergonomic, easy to sight in and held up well to the heat. The dot however left a lot to be desired. It tended to mirage - especially in bright conditions and forget about using it in the rain, unless you like to see red dots all over the place. Still, I found it to be a better sight for me over the Eotech, (which by the way is being recalled by US SOCOM due to electronic failures). When I mounted the Trijicon Tripower on deck, all felt right in the world. The chevron reticle is so natural to use and so instinctive on target. Setting a BSZ was a snap and you can tailor it to your shooting style and needs. Mine is set up to use the tip of the chevron for precise shooting close in, or cover for longer distances. I went from making decent shots with irons out to 200-yards and acceptable shots out to 400, to being able to lay fire reliably at all ranges. It's not a target scope - it's a battle sight obviously, but the Trijicon took my SOCOM-16 to the next level optically - the Troy MCS sealed the deal....It also stands up to withering fire, (no fade whatsoever) and has 3 sources of power. No batteries? No problem. I'm well into 10,000 rounds through the Trijicon and not only does it still hold zero, it's on it's first set of batteries! You owe it to yourself to give one a look see before you make a decision. I think any of the 3 will suit your needs - I just think the Trijicon will suit them better....Good luck.... :cool:
     
  10. kimberfan

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    the tripower is just to much for me so its between the 2 Aimpoints

    so out of the 2 what would you pick??

    the c3 or the ML3??.
     
  11. ShakyJ

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    On my SA SOCOM, I mounted an ML3 2moa Aimpoint on an Ultimak mount via a LaRue RAS II ring (lowest LaRue makes for the Aimpoint). I have to raise my head ever so slightly, but, overall, a great fit. I could not be happier with this set up. I did not like the SA rail as 1) it was too high and 2) I have heard multiple reports that it is not to spec as a true picatiny rail. Even on the Ultimak, I feel that the Eotech sits too high. Like everything, though, that's just my opinion.
     
  12. Gunnerpalace

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    Out of curiosity didn't Randy Shugart use an Aimpoint CompB?
     
  13. Coronach

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    His character had an Aimpoint of some sort in Black Hawk Down, but I don't know if that was accurate or not.

    Mike
     
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    A red dot is for speed over accuracy, and accuracy will certainly still be "minute of man."

    If pinpoint accuracy is what you are after, you want a traditional telescope.
     
  15. kimberfan

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    yes i know that buzzbox

    i dont expect to shoot 1/2 MOA with a red-dot

    i just need 3 inch's or less at 100 yards.
     
  16. Andrewsky

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    Randy Shughart most likely used an Aimpoint 3000.

    In the movie his character is seen with an Aimpoint CompM model (this is just my best guess).

    Kimberfan, my opinion is that Aimpoints are superior to EOTechs in nearly every way. The CompC3 and CompML3 are both very good. The ML3 comes with the rubber cover, lens covers, more waterproofing, and is more expensive. You'll want to get the CompC3 though since it comes with the Aimpoint High Weaver ring (which is actually a very low ring).
     
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    A Tripower is more expensive than an Aimpoint? I wasn't talking ACOG - they're two different sights. My Tripower was $450.00
     
  18. natescout

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    what about the EOTECH 552 with the .308 ballistic reticle, then you dont have to spend more money on a mount ?
     
  19. kimberfan

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    where did you get that?

    cheapest i can fine is $502.
     
  20. Andrewsky

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    Just get the CompC3. You don't need the waterproofing, you don't need the lens covers (you can buy them later for $15 each), you don't need the rubber cover, and with the CompC3 you get a free ring of the proper height.
     
  21. MassMark

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    Wow...I haven't seen the prices on them lately. I bought mine when I bought my SOCOM-16 from Dan at West Texas Armory. Drop him a line and see what he can do.... www.westtexasarmory.com
     
  22. kimberfan

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    thats what i'm going to do seems how i cant afford a tripower

    cheapest i can find a c3 for is $375 and my mount will be $112.
     
  23. Andrewsky

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    What mount?
     
  24. Don't Tread On Me

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    Tripower is nice due to the fact that you do not need a battery. It is super bright just being powered by sunlight or whatever light you have. In total darkness, it has the tritium. When you are in shade and do not have bright light above you, yet you are looking out toward a very brightly lit area - you hit the button and it uses the battery to illuminate eliminating the dreaded "washout" that MOST red dots suffer from (except EOtech and Aimpoint). Trijicon also has superior customer service over Aimpoint (dunno about EOtech). Trijicon will take care of you fast. Aimpoint is difficult to get a hold of, you usually get a machine, and they get back to you. Most fixes require shipping back to Sweden taking at least a couple months. Fortunately, they are one of the best and most never need any service ever.


    Honestly, the absolute best price/performance red dot out there is the Aimpoint Comp C3. It's the same body and design as the M2 and M3 series, but it is a civilian version. What makes it civilian? Well, for one, it is rated at 17ft waterproof, vs. 75ft or more for the others. It doesn't come with flip up covers, nor does it have the adjustment cover tethers/lanyards. Compared to the M3, it also doesn't have the outer rubber body sleeve. Although, they sell these separately I've seen.

    For all practical purposes, other than Navy SEAL use (scuba diving with it), it is just as tough as the others as it is the same thing. It has the same dot, same knob. Same 50,000 hour battery life. But you save at least $100 or more going with that. It should be perfectly fine for any kind of "combat" a civilian would see, whether it would be defense or TEOTWAWKI. It might even be useful for night vision devices as the first 3 settings are nearly invisible just like on the NV models, but I would NOT quote me on that - it may lack special coatings. Some people have said they had no problems with NV, however, that is internet hearsay.

    If you want something more compact, look into the new micros by Aimpoint.


    Going on an M1A, you will be pleased to find that the standard Aimpoint ring (comes with it) is the perfect method for mounting it (lowest). Whereas guys with AR-15's need to mount it higher adding costs by having to buy an expensive mount.
     
  25. Andrewsky

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    Don't Tread on Me, that was an excellent write-up.

    I want to clarify though. The CompC3 doesn't have the tethers that are attached to each other, but the caps itself have tethers that allow you to change windage and elevation without having to take the caps away from the sight.
     
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