Quantcast
  1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

M1A project done, traditionalists cover your eyes

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by trbon8r, Jul 18, 2007.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    Here are a few pics of my M1A project with VLTOR modstock.

    This rifle is a Springfield receiver with all USGI parts with the exception of the barrel which is a Criterion GI profile. Mods are a trigger job, and unitized gas system. The scope is a Leupold 1.5-5 MR/T with lit SPR reticle. The scope mount is an ARMS that was modified by WARBIRD into an older style split rail ARMS, which I prefer over the current ARMS mount.

    The VLTOR stock with pistol grip makes the rifle a little more handy, and also helps solve the cheek weld issue with optics with the built in adjustable up and down travel of the stock. The stock also helps to lighten up the rifle a bit. :)

    This is my Walter Mitty rifle I plan to take through a fighting rifle course at some point. I've had the rifle out to the range twice. The first time out I had no problem scoring hits on bowling pins set up at 300 yards from the prone position with an ammo can for support and Portugese surplus ammo. Even when I missed it wasn't by much. I benched the rifle at 100 yards. Groups currently hover just over an inch at 100 yards with the same Portugese surp ammo.

    All things considered I'm happy! By way, M14 traditionalists don't hate me too bad, I've got a couple other M14s that wear pretty wood as well. :)
     

    Attached Files:

  2. fletcher

    fletcher Member

    Joined:
    May 19, 2004
    Messages:
    2,559
    Location:
    TX
    Can't say I care for that color scheme, but overall it looks great.

    Excellent work.
     
  3. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    The handguard wasn't painted because the VLTOR stock doesn't come with a handguard painted to match. Actually the stock is designed to be used with the cluster rail as used on the SOCOM II http://www.springfield-armory.com/armory.php?model=18, which I didn't want.

    Rather than all those rails I wouldn't use, I figure I could always install a section of rail on the front of the stock for mounting a weapon light if I find having a light is a must for the fighting rifle class I plan to take. I debated on painting the handguard to match, and may still. I guess the desert tan is either a love it or hate it thing.

    Thanks for the compliment. :)
     
  4. TIMC

    TIMC Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2003
    Messages:
    2,786
    Location:
    Texas
    Came out very well. Nice looking rifle!
     
  5. Chipperman

    Chipperman Member

    Joined:
    Dec 25, 2002
    Messages:
    4,572
    Location:
    Essex Co, MA
    I was very tentative about clicking on this thread, but it actually looks pretty nice.

    Good job. Just don't do it to a Garand. ;)
     
  6. Cosmoline

    Cosmoline Member

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2002
    Messages:
    23,648
    Location:
    Los Anchorage
    Submit it to the DOD in response to their next requests for proposals. Tell them it's the new G-RAND individual weapons system.
     
  7. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    Does this mean I would need the HK marketing department to go to work on the project? :p
     
  8. BsChoy

    BsChoy Member

    Joined:
    Jun 14, 2005
    Messages:
    1,344
    Location:
    Upstate NY
    Very nice!!!
     
  9. Neo-Luddite

    Neo-Luddite Member

    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2006
    Messages:
    2,982
    Location:
    Northwest IL--the other 'Downstate'
  10. Harry Paget Flashman

    Harry Paget Flashman Member

    Joined:
    Feb 15, 2005
    Messages:
    1,218
    Location:
    NW Florida
    Mine didn't turn out as nice as yours. But then I was using an SKS and a Tapco T6 stock. Nice work.
     
  11. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

    Joined:
    Dec 26, 2002
    Messages:
    14,613
    Location:
    Texas
    What is the total weight on that?
     
  12. Davo

    Davo Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2005
    Messages:
    1,126
    Location:
    Riverside County, **********
    Unusual look, but looks like quality stuff went into it.
    Hows the cheek weld on that?
     
  13. bartsimpson123844

    bartsimpson123844 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2006
    Messages:
    141
    Location:
    Savannah, GA
    It looks excellent, although I believe it would look better in O.D. :)
     
  14. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    The cheek weld is great since the stock is adjustable, and can work equally well with irons or optics. I could raise the butt stock up more if needed.

    Bartholomew, I would love to know the weight of the whole package. I need to get it on a scale and find out. Part of my plan was to make this rifle as light as possible. The VLTOR stock shaves some weight, and the ARMS scope mount is just about the lightest of the scope mounts available for the M1A. I may in the future consider changing to an 18.5" barrel to make the rifle handier and shave a few more ounces.

    You won't mistake this rifle for an M4 carbine, but it's no pig either.
     
  15. MassMark

    MassMark Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2007
    Messages:
    732
    Location:
    Western MA
    SWEET! Very sweet indeed. I too, part with the color, (I'm an OD/Black Fan), but Jesus, that set-up is really nice! Can;t wait to get my MCS up to spec like that and I hear what you're saying about cheek-weld. It's no longer an issue for me at all either. Excellent looking rifle! :)
     
  16. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    Ok ok, the color wasn't really my first choice either. :) I would have preferred the black or the OD version.

    After much searching I found this stock for a good deal brand new in the box, so I bought it, although desert tan doesn't do me much good in Maryland. :neener:

    Right now I'm more into just testing the whole package to find out how it works for me, and I can worry about "pretty" later on if at all. So far I think the whole package works great and will be a keeper!

    I may eventually send the stock off for a camo job. Any recommendations on where I should send it for a top notch job? I was told VLTOR uses KG Gunkote and I'm not sure the old stuff would even come off.
     
  17. MassMark

    MassMark Member

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2007
    Messages:
    732
    Location:
    Western MA
    I have a better idea...If SHTF, hide in the local sand pit... :neener:

    I'm not really sure where to send you on that one - any thoughts on doing it yourself? I have seen some pretty impressive work come out of people's garages....Just a thought.
     
  18. precisionshootist

    precisionshootist Member

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2007
    Messages:
    186
    trbon8r

    Looks great!

    Just curious, how much more do you think it cost you to build this rifle with all GI parts? Also why did you go with an after market barrel over a chrome lined GI? Was the barrel choice for accuracy or just lack of availability of USGI?
     
  19. M110

    M110 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 2, 2005
    Messages:
    194
    Location:
    Illinois, USA
    Was there a sale on at TAPCO :neener:
     
  20. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    precisionshootist,

    The cost for me to use USGI parts was minimal because I bought a bunch of GI parts back when CMP was selling them pretty cheap. Back then op rods, bolts, trigger groups were in the $40 range. On this rifle I replaced the commercial SA Inc. trigger group, op rod, and rear sight assembly with GI stuff. Since I had my stash of CMP parts, when I resold the commercial parts that I took off I didn't lose any money. In my opinion, some of the SA Inc. commercial parts are ok, and some are crap. It just depends.

    If you were to build a rifle from scratch with just a receiver, and USGI parts kit the cost would be considerable. USGI parts kits are running in the neighborhood of $1000 these days. If you can, rather than building a rifle, I always recommend looking for an older M1A that will be made up of GI parts. It's cheaper than building a rifle from scratch. I didn't have that luxury when I bought this rifle. I bought it when I lived in California right before the "assault weapon" ban. During those uncertain times people were scooping up anything and everything, and I was just happy to get any M1A.

    This rifle started out as a complete Springfield Inc. rifle with Stainless barrel. I didn't like the stainless barrel so I had it removed and sold it off. It was then replaced with the Criterion barrel. On my gunsmith's recommendation I went with a standard Criterion barrel instead of the chrome lined barrel because with commercial M14 type receivers there can be some variance from one receiver to the next. With a non-chrome bore this allows the smith to install a short chambered barrel, and then ream for proper headspace. We tried a Criterion chrome lined barrel, but it would not headspace. I guess if my smith had enough chrome lined barrels to choose from he might have found one that would have eventually headspaced.
     
  21. kvincent

    kvincent Member

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2008
    Messages:
    3
    trbon8r,

    I'm resurrecting this thread because I'm about to put the same mount on my rifle and I'd like to know if you're still happy with it. Any loss of zero or other issues? Would you make the same choice of a Warlord modified ARMS #18 again?

    Thanks in advance,

    Kerry
     
  22. trbon8r

    trbon8r Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2005
    Messages:
    863
    Location:
    MD
    kvincent,

    There have been no problems with the mount at all, and I do shoot the rifle frequently. I recommend the modified ARMS mount.
     
  23. Jason_G

    Jason_G Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2007
    Messages:
    1,874
    Location:
    Louisiana
    Utter sacrilege :uhoh:, but I hope you enjoy it. I didn't see in any of the previous posts (maybe I missed it), but what does the final product weigh?

    Jason
     
  24. MTMilitiaman

    MTMilitiaman Member

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2005
    Messages:
    2,461
    Location:
    Missoula, Montana
    Did you ever get the rifle weighed?

    And does that chassis system have any sort of a bedding system, or is bedding still required to get optimal long-term accuracy from the platform?
     
  25. H2O MAN

    H2O MAN member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    2,438
    Location:
    USA
    Sweet!

    I like it :)
     
Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.

Share This Page