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M1A, yeah or neigh?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by Jason_G, Jan 21, 2008.

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  1. Jason_G

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    M1A, yeah or nay?

    Well, I've been wanting an M14 for a really long time, and since there is unfortunately a very good chance that our next president will reinstate the AWB, should I save up and get an M1A? I was looking at the Loaded model. Would I be better off buying a FAL style rifle instead? How is Springfield's quality? Will I end up trying to replace everything with USGI parts?

    Jason
     
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  2. Andrewsky

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    The M14 is the Ferrari of semi-automatic rifles.
     
  3. readyme

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    I am thinking along the same lines...but $1400 or so is pretty steep...especially when compared to a new AR can be had for about $800 to my door, or an SKS for less than $350.
    I really need to try a Sprinfield M1A and compare it to an AR...that will make up my mind for me...wish I could rent rifles, but there are only handgun rentals here.

    Does anybody have a lead on M1A's at a good price?
     
  4. W.E.G.

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    If the M1A is the rifle you really want, you shouldn't consider anything else.

    We could debate the relative "economy" of other rifles, and the features of other rifles.

    But, SOME OTHER RIFLE is not what you want.

    The M1A is a fine rifle.

    Act now, or risk that you will never hold your piece.
     
  5. Andrewsky

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    I just bought an M1A Standard at Sportsman's Warehouse for $1249.99.

    I plan on keeping it for about sixty years so the price was irrelevant.

    You may not like my opinion, but M14s are Ferraris, AR15s are Hondas, and SKSs are junk compared to M14s.

    By the way, there is absolutely nothing wrong with SA, Inc. M1As. I don't like their name but their product is excellent. You may want to trade out for a different stock, but they are very good rifles. My two 2007 built SA, Inc. M1As even have USGI H and R trigger groups.

    Edit: You might want to check out some FALs too.
     
  6. mattw

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    I've had my Springfield M1A for about 6 years now. Best rifle I've ever owned. I out shoot AR15s all day long with iron sights.

    Only down side: Ammo is expensive.
     
  7. silverlance

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    Is there a difference between Norinco and Polytech M1A / M14s? or are they different names for the same gun?

    I've also heard many times that Polytech receivers are the only ones that are truly USGI spec; that they are excellent receivers. Why, then, do they need to be converted to use a USGI bolt?
     
  8. readyme

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    How expensive is ammo?
     
  9. silverlance

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    about .50 a round
     
  10. H2O MAN

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    Norinco & Poly Tech are basically the same M14 with different markings.
    A USGI bolt conversion is not 100% necessary, but it's not a bad idea.
    Head space can be an issue, a bolt conversion will eliminate this issue.
    You do not have to change the barrel when the conversion is done.

    The Chinese receiver is forged and it is the closest to USGI dimensions.
    Smith Enterprise, Inc. receivers are closer to USGI dimensions, but they are very rare.
    As long as they continue making the changes SEI recommends LRB receivers will be as
    good or better than the ChiCom receiver soon. Each production run is better than the last.

    All 8 of my M14 type rifles are Norinco or Poly Tech. 4 have USGI bolts and SEI barrels.

    HTH ~
     
  11. ArmedBear

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    The M1A is a fun but expensive way to work on upper body strength.
     
  12. Cannonball888

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    Best Mil-Surp .308 ammo is Portugese if you can find it. I know a guy who shoots sub MOA with it in a Super Match M1A.
     
  13. stubbicatt

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    Handloading will improve your accuracy at a reasonable price point.
     
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    I lust for the SCOM 16 but it is just too much $$$.
     
  16. glockman19

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    YES get the M1A. I have a SA M1A loaded and love it. Accurate for me out to 800 yards withe the right ammo. Sub MOA groups at 100 yards. Finally a piece of history.

    Prices begin around $1,200 up.
     
  17. nicholst55

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    The difference between the M1A and the AR-15 is more than just about the rifles. It's also about the cartridges. Both will kill you; both will make holes in a paper target; .308 or 7.62 is nearly twice the price of .223 or 5.56, and rightfully so. I'm not a '.308 snob,' as I own and shoot several ARs in .22 LR, 9mm, and .223. However, the two cartridges just don't compare as far as lethality and penetration go. There, I've said it.

    Both cartridges have their applications, and I wouldn't want to be shot with either one. You pays your money and you takes your chances. Buy the M1A - you won't regret it!
     
  18. Slamfire

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    I think highly of the SA receivers. I am about to rebarrel for the second time a rear lugged Super Match that I purchased about 1992. I won my last leg and a Regional Gold with a SA factory Super Match, I consider them fine, reliable and accurate rifles..

    You do have to watch them, the old match rifles have screws “unitizing” the gas cylinder. These screws will get pounded loose in time. I think unitizing the gas cylinder with welds is the better way to go. Also have had a unpinned op rod guide come loose. So I peened the barrel spline and drilled and pinned the operating rod guide myself. That has held for about 4000 rounds.

    The Springfield Armory rifles were the most common civilian version of the M14 on the firing line for years, and they are well thought of by those who used them. Most of the match rifles of this period used GI parts for the trigger assembly, bolt, operating rod, gas cylinder and flash suppressor. If equipped with such parts you had a rifle that would shoot a very long time.

    A bud of mine when through six barrels on his SA M1a and it developed a crack above the bolt release. Just a little half moon worth of material cracked off. The rifle was functioning fine, but we harassed him about the duct tape holding the chip on. Even though he had gone through six barrels (about 30,000 rounds) and the receiver was at least ten to fifteen years old, SA replaced his receiver for free. I consider that good customer service. And considering that my friend shot at least $15,000 worth of ammo through that receiver, he got good service. By the way, all the other parts, gas cylinder, bolt, trigger group, flash suppressor, were checked out and were good.

    I do like the fact that SA has added material to the sidewall of the receiver. The GI configuration of receiver was lightened as much as possible to meet a unrealistic weight requirement. If a M14 receiver is going to crack through fatigue, is will be in the sidewall. The bolt goes back and bounces off the rear of the receiver, in time all those impacts add up.

    Reinforced SA sidewall


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    I have been able to examine a couple of LRB receivers. (LRB OF LONG ISLAND, INC. 32 Cherry Lane , Floral Park , N.Y. 11001
    Phone: 516-327-9061) Lou is making an outstanding forged receiver out of 8620. A bud purchased a rear lugged version, and I got pictures. I like that LRB drilled a hole and supplied a screw for the lug. Overall the receiver looked great, but the gunsmith will have to tell us how well the parts fit on the rifle. Lou is cutting these to GI dimensions and you can see in the sidewall picture that his follows the GI contour.

    These are very expensive, but they are the only US forged receivers made.


    LRB Receiver

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  19. GunTech

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    OK, as a huge M1A fan it's time to clear some thing up.

    The M1A won't outshoot a similarly tweaked AR. There's a reason the AR rules service rifle matches.

    The M1A can be made to shoot very well, however. Sub M)A can be done, but not with surplus ammo and not with a standard military barrel. Be prepared to spend lots of money if you want sub MOA accuracy.

    That being said, the standard M1A is typically a 2 MOA rifle with just about any halfway decent surplus ammo - at least if you have a reasonably tight stock. It's no problem to engage targets out to 600 yards if the shooter knows what they are doing.

    Mounting optics can be a pain, as the M1A tends to be very hard on mounts. If you want to scope one, buy a good quality steel or titanium mount.

    If your eyes are good, the iron sights on the M1A are some of the best ever put on a service rifle.

    Springfield makes a good rifle, and they back it with an outstanding warrantee. Fulton Armory and LRB both put out what are arguably 'better' rifles, and you pay extra for the privilege.

    Around here, a standard grade M1A goes for about $1200, and you can find used ones for under $1k. I prefer the synthetic GI stock, as these are less affected by weather and are a little slimmer.

    You best deal is probably the 'loaded' model, that comes with national match sights, a medium weight match barrel and a NM trigger. Price is typically around $1700.

    If you can live with lesser accuracy and prefer lighter weight, grab the standard model. You can always upgrade later.
     
  20. Matt-J2

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    I say nay!
    Really only out of jealousy for those who can afford them, though. :p Actually, not sure I'd buy one if I could, though not due to lack of quality.


    If I said neigh, somebody might try and ride me off into the sunset.:eek:
     
  21. silverlance

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    thanks. im more of a FAL guy (could you tell?) but I've always wanted an M14. a guy is offering me a norinco m14 with about 160-200 rounds through it for $800. if the bolt conversion isn't really necessary, then I guess I wont worry and buy it. at $200 for the bolt and $125 for the labor, a "cheap" norinco isnt so cheap anymore. it's too bad that the norinco receivers aren't exactly the same as usgi, though... it would be a drop in bolt replacement otherwise.
     
  22. 1KPerDay

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    The M1A is a great rifle, but you guys must not have spent too many hours around ferraris... lol. Think of a really expensive rifle that needs hugely expensive maintenance and rebuilds every 1000 rounds... THAT's the ferrari of rifles. :D:D:D:D
     
  23. Scorpiusdeus

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    I bought a used M1A Standard about seven months ago. It took some getting used to, but it is a fine weapon.

    There is something very sexy about the M14/M1A that many others rifles do not possess.

    I now want a Scout or Socom.

    You mention the possible ban that we all live in fear of. I would think the M1A would be one of the last to be banned vs say an AR or AK.

    I too have been toying with getting a CA legal AR or just an OLL so I can build my own AR in the future.

    .308/7.62x51 is NOT cheap. Be prepared.
     
  24. Omaha-BeenGlockin

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    Had one---didn't like it---now have a DSA FAL---much happier now.
     
  25. H2O MAN

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    Check your head space.
     
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