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Makarov IJ70-17AH

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by Cron, Dec 31, 2007.

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  1. Cron

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    I MAY have a line on one of these NIB in .380. (1994) What's the word on reliability? Decent accuracy? Any comments welcome.
     
  2. DENALI

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    There a Russian copy of the PP and there very well done considering. I doubt very much that the pistol in question is new but don't let that slow you down. Most of the Russian one's I've seen seem to have been copper washed or such so of course there not finely finished. There very accurate and reliable and usually at under $225.00 a great buy. The very best ones come from either Russia or the old East Germany with some of the bulgarian Mak's being good buy's also........I own 6 of these pistols and have nothing but praise for them.............................
     
  3. Pilot

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    Its not a Russian copy of a PP. Its a MUCH better pistol. They are very reliable, very accurate and a great buy. I'd rather have a Bulgie Mak in 9x18, but the .380 commercial Russian Maks are great too. I have one and its a real shooter.
     
  4. DENALI

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    Actually the proper caliber of these pistol's is 9x18 and many of the .380's were re-barreled to the more common of the two cartridges to improve sale's. P.S. I agree with pilot they are superior to the pistol they are based upon...................................
     
  5. North Bender

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    Denali, your comment about Russian Makarovs being copper washed and not finely finished completely throws me. I have never heard or seen any such thing.

    And I don't know that they are superior to the pistol they are based on? The main difference bewtween the IJ70 and the military Makarov are the adjustable sights, which some complain about. They snag clothing and may drift out of alignment. Lots of folks switch these sights over to permanent mounts.

    Cron, these pistols are accurate, unbelievably reliable, simple to strip and clean, and even though I'm more of a fan of the 9x18 version you'll find a wider variety of .380 ammo available. Currently a NIB IJ70 can fetch close to, or over, $300 on auction sites.
     
  6. DENALI

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    I didn't say they were copper washed I said they appeared that way and as to finely finished they certainly aren't by anyone's standard ! Further they are not based on the military Maks they are the military Maks. They were based upon the PP, and much like the CZ-82 they are considered in some circle's to be superior to it.................
     
  7. Cron

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    Thanks for the info. I wasn't expecting such positive reports.
     
  8. North Bender

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    An IJ70 is simply not a military Makarov. There's over $200 difference in the value of an IJ70 and a Russian military Makarov.

    There have been complaints about the finish being thin on some IJ70s.

    They are so dissimilar to a PP that I won't begin to list the differences.
     
  9. DENALI

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    Different yes, but based on the PP they are. As to IJ70's ect.. back when first imported to the best of my knowledge they were all surplus military and at the gun show I attended yesterday could be had for $140.00 including the neat little Ruskie holster. As much as I like the little pistol's I'd never ever consider paying $300.00 for one and I don't care what the importers are tacking on to try justifing that kind of price.............
     
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    I'm pretty sure my IJ70 was made for commercial sale and was originally chambered in .380. The internal design has some innovations. I personally much prefer the PPK/S for many reasons, notably the SA trigger. The SA trigger on my Mak has a terribly long takeup. The Mak, is heavy and large for a .380 and even the 9MM Makarov round. These are just my opinions, and if anyone doesn't agree that's fine, I'm not an expert. I got mine free so it doesn't owe me anything.
     
  11. DENALI

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    I'm finding myself in agreement with much of what HisSoldier has to say. Regardless the Mak is a great little pistol, keeping in mind that the pistol(s) in question are circa 1994 and to my mind are not new manufacture but surplus as virtually all were back then. Regardless of current chambering the Russians back then only produced them in the strange 9x18 version and the .380's were just re-barreled for the western market's..and they are an enlarged unlicensed copy of the Walther model PP..........................
     
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    Some say they are based on PPs, some say they aren't. Not worth arguing about.

    I will buy any IJ70, or any Makarov in good condition, for $140. That is a complete steal.

    Importers aren't tacking any price boost; they haven't been imported for years. The current going rate for a NIB IJ70 can easily be checked on auction sites. It may not be what you will pay, but it is what they are going for.

    They were made in .380 for export, not re-chambered military versions. Hence the differences in finish, adjustable sights, and different marking.
     
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  13. DENALI

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    I've checked a few places like GunsAmerica and have seen what you're talking about ($595.00 for an IMEZ manufactured Mak) but they will never get that kind of money. The whole greatness of the Maks was the sub-$200.00 price tags.and good level of quality for the price. Now apparently because of dwindling supplys the price has become inflated far beyond there value.........................
     
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    My IJ70 was manufactured in .380. Its one of the Satin Nickel models imported by B-West in 1994. Its a great shooter and very accurate. I don't mind the adjustable sights, and you can replace them with fixed if you want. I don't carry it, but I do carry a fixed sight Bulgie Mak occasionally.
     
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    The Hi-Cap Maks were not for military use. AFAIK the only connection with the Walther PP is the outward appearance. Check the mags to see if they are 10 or 12 rounders. The Russian made 12 round mags can fetch big money alone. I've heard of guys paying $75 for them! Look around on www.makarov.com, and www.gunboards.com. Makarov.com is all about Maks, and the Gunboards site has a forum and classified section devoted to Maks. If you can get it for around $200-$250 I'd get it. Maks have developed a cult following an are climbing in price. The military models seem to fetch a premium, but being the commercial models are out of production as of late they'll go up also. Maks are great little gun! The only down side I've heard is the adjustable sights are prone to break. Watch if you decide to buy it that the mags are original mags and not Pro-Mags. While I've never used them I've read less thn good about the Pro-Mags.
     
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    Gee, I'd love to see one of those "copper washed" Makarovs :rolleyes: Now THAT would be a pimp gun.
    Com-bloc countried often use mild steel cases that are copper washed, zinc coated, polymer coated, or have a laquer coat. The gun isn't copper washed.
    I have the same gun chambered for 9x18mm. They're heavy for their size. The sights did tend to snag when I carred it concealed. For a fun/range gun it's insanely accurate. The finish on the commercial frame doesn't hold that well against sweat if you carry it concealed in hot weather. Mine showed a litle hint of rust when I'd carry it for a while and then cleaned it after a range session but only on the side that faced me when I carried. If you're looking for a CCW piece I prefer the Bulgarian version which has a smooth, blued finish.
    $140 bucks for one is a steal. I've fired thousands of rounds through mine and I've had one failure to feed (the lip of the cartridge case was bent) and I had one bad magazine that wouldn't lock the slide back when it was empty, again, not the gun's fault. Amazingly reliable and accurate, simple to clean and maintain. I'm glad I have two.
     
  17. briang2ad

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    I think the price has peaked

    I see Maks sitting at shows now for $250-350 every show - no one is buying them. 2 years ago you got a Bulgie at a show for $150-170. They just don't appeal to me at over $200. I got a Russian for less, and Gunkoted it - nice gun. Very accurate and reliable. But, the ammo is at least as much as a 9mm. For $300-350 you can find a VERY goos 9mm, maybe even a compact, and shoot it for less. But, they are excellent firearms. I did have the fixed replacement sight from Mak.com, but it doesn't stay tight. The original sight is actually a LITTLE better than the Bulgie fixed sight for older eyes, and it is fully adjustable - just doesn't look as good. But, it does stay to POI - amazing, because it doesn't look like it will! I goofed and passed one up two years ago for $125 - tried to get OTD for $100. It was well worn, but I could have gunkoted it - now you cannot touch a Mak for $125!
     

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    Maks

    Yep, I used to buy them for 99 bucks at J & G, I presently have multiple units in bulgies, russian etc, my daughters (4) all have one a keep it handy, they are by far one of the easiest, and most user friendly and accurate units to use.
    I keep one in my brief case and typically one in my truck,
    I tried the feg;s and well they suck, I do keep one of them in my pontoon boat for unauthorized boarders (ha)
    you cant go wrong, either in 9x18 or .380,
    good luck with choice.
    rj
     
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    I bought the five I have all for between $100 and $150 but that was several years ago. My favorite is an East German Mak. I carry a Bulgie that came with black grips and have kept another unissued Bulgie with red star grips NIB. The Satin Nickel Commercial Russian .380 is as good or better quality as all of them except for the E.G. Interestingly, the nickel Mak came with nickled baseplates for the mags instead of the traditional black. Nice touch by the Ruskies! I'd like to round out my collection with a Russian military Mak and Chinese Mak.
     
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    :neener:might want to listen to north bender he has forgot more about maks than most people know.the commerical maks with adj. sights were made for export here to get the u.s. dollar period.
    one more thing you might want to look at before you buy is the CZ82's.they are in 9mm mak and a great buy and one very accurate pistol.oops they are not a pp copy before that gets started:D
    pete
     
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    I have an IJ70 in .380. It is reliable and reasonably accurate. I do not like the adjustable rear sight, and replaced it with a fixed sight.
     
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    Cron if you get this gun, Pearce grips makes a nice wrap around rubber grip which makes it much nicer to hang onto. I have the IJ70 and its a nice little pistol for what I paid for it some years ago.
     
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    I owned a B-West Mak NIB that I purchased in 1995. Great pistol! Accurate, never had a FTE,FTF, anything go wrong. I used it for a carry pistol for about 3 years and then sold it off. Never should have sold it, but you will learn that about all your guns. Mine was manufactured as a .380. You could use the same mags as the 9x18 and you could also put a 9X18 barrel on it if you wanted to convert.
     
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    Hi there! Well he sure didn't know that they are based on the Walther model PP. Also submitted for your further perusal, the word "appears".
     
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    Perhaps because they aren't based on the PP?
     
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