Discussion in 'Handguns: General Discussion' started by armoredman, May 30, 2011.
Add to the fact the street thugs tend to throw around their little pistols and treat em like garbage, Never clean, never lube, get packed with pocket lint etc.
I am not surprised at the outcome one bit.
"The victims tried to fire back but their gun was jammed"
They don't even say if a single shot was fired off by the victims. If they shot even one round then it jammed while firing. If no shots where fired then they where carrying condition 3 and had the gun jam up when they tried to rack in a round. If they where carrying condition 1 and it "jammed" they didn't take off a safety.
I'm curious which one it is because it would show why a carry condition is less than ideal, or it might show that training and practice is important and the other would be to make sure you shoot enough ammo in your carry gun to make sure it functions correctly with it.
Not enough info to make a definite judgment call.
There's always a round in the chamber, and I take it out to the range when I go to make sure everything still works.
And this story clearly shows that it is a good idea. The victims are alive. If they couldn't even muster the threat of return fire, they would conceivably be dead. Wonder if they got any shots off. Not many pistols jam before the first shot!
My G22 and shift partner's G23 both had malfunctions at qualifications last week. I was trucking along with the qualification course and my palm was getting sore from tap/rack/bang. Every few rounds it would stay in lock back.
After we ruled out limp wristing and user my thumb riding the slide release the PD armorer replaced both Glock's mag releases. Running smooth since.
Scary thought for us, even if I do carry a BUG on-duty. It was a good reminder for me to shoot my duty weapon more often.
Keeping firearms in good order is critical. Going to the range regularly too helps not only with accuracy but also exercises the weapon as well.
Those "studies" were done by SLA Marshall, and modern research has shown he made the whole thing up -- he never conducted the hundreds of in-depth interviews he claimed his "reasearch" was based on.
As a company commander in Viet Nam, I guarentee you our troops shot -- in fact, I had to impose a $50 fine on anyone who fired an M16 full auto.
How many thug youth dry fire the heck out of their 50$ street deals only to break something later?
Taking a gun apart, cleaning it and then putting it back together to carry seems silly to me. It's not such a bad idea when you're accompanied by a squad of troops that have all recently cleaned their weapons. (What's the chance of them all malfunctioning?) But it's more of a risk than I'm willing to take on one untested gun. YMMV
After nearly a week I was able to make it to the range and to my surprise it would not fire. I took it back to the gunsmith and he had forgotten to re-engage the series 80 safety.
What shook me up was that I was using it as my CCW for nearly a week. After that I test fire EVERY gun I have worked on, and no matter what I will not trust it to function until I personally test fire it.
Naw, maybe a Taurus?
How often do you practice pulling your weapon from your driver seat, with someone shooting at you?
I could see fumbling with the gun. Maybe you're more focused on the bullets flying at you than what your hands are doing...
I carry a revolver, so I don't spend much time worrying about stuff like that.
Limp wristing and failing to rack the slide only affect the second shot or folks who forgot to load a round in the pipe before they left home. In this case it sounds like they had other problems.
The thing is that revolvers may be generally more reliable but if they mess up its not a tap, rack, bang drill to get it back in order it needs a visit to the armorer or at the very least a careful examination. I've even heard of expensive S&W guns binding up during firing.
No round in chamber? Jam.
Slide gets locked back? Jam.
Gun being held by slide when fired and does not eject or load, next round is a ...Jam.
Foreign object gets worked into some part of the mechanisms (hammer, trigger, slide, port, cylinder, etc.). Jam.
Fail to detonate. Jam.
Fail to cock. Jam.
If the gun stops firing unexpectantly, then it must have jammed, be it a mechanical firearm problem, ammo problem, user problem, or situation problem.
Don't mean to poke the bunny, but "famous last words".
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