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Man shot in his apartment by police hopes for justice

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  1. atek3

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    For those here who are or were in Law Enforcement, or who support same, I would not want to live in a world without Police. That being said, these Philly cops qualify as JBT's.:cuss:
     
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    What is "JBT"?

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    jack booted thugs..
     
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    Would someone repost the article?

    The site requires registration and I get enough spam already.
     
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    I never would have guessed that.

    Thanks
     
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    what glocksman said...please
     
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    JBTs indeed, especially my favorite guy who said something like:

    Ya, Pal, naked man was a real threat. :fire:
     
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    Man shot in his apartment by police hopes for justice

    He was not the target of the raid in Feb. that cost him a leg. The Bucks County D.A. is investigating.

    By Larry King

    Inquirer Staff Writer

    The violence that cost James Hoskins his left leg was instantaneous. Yet two months later, the young Levittown man still struggles to comprehend it.

    Hoskins, 22, was naked and unarmed when a Middletown police detective shot him Feb. 6 in the bedroom of his apartment during a drug raid.

    Neither Hoskins nor his girlfriend, who was in the bedroom with him, was the target of the afternoon raid. The Bucks County District Attorney's Office is investigating the shooting.

    "Hopefully, they will say this was a crime," Hoskins said yesterday in his first public remarks since the shooting. "Hopefully, they will make the right decision."

    A lawyer representing Middletown Township and Dale Keddie Jr., the officer who shot Hoskins, declined to comment specifically on the case. He did say that Keddie remains on active duty.

    "We're not going to try the case in the press," attorney Joseph Santerone said. "We will wait for the district attorney to reach a decision."

    Hoskins spoke to reporters from his bed at St. Mary Medical Center, where he has been since the shooting. He spent several weeks in a medically induced coma and has undergone more than 30 operations for leg and abdominal injuries.

    On Feb. 24, surgeons were forced to amputate his left leg at mid-thigh.

    Hoskins did not know his leg was gone, or that it was a police officer who shot him, until weeks later. He was still semi-coherent when doctors decided to sit him up in bed, but his mother intervened.

    "I said, 'No, I have to tell him before he sees it,' " Debbie Hoskins said. She said she took his hand, told him that his leg was gone, that a lot of things had happened to him, but that he was going to live.

    "I said, 'Give me a squeeze if you understand what Mommy is trying to tell you.' And he started to cry and gave me a squeeze," she said.

    James Hoskins said the news surprised him, because he had been feeling "ghost pains," as though his leg were still there. "It was hard for both of us; we were both crying," he said.

    As his condition improved, Hoskins said, he learned that the apartment intruders he had taken for robbers were actually police officers.

    "I couldn't believe it, that police officers would act in such a way," he said.

    Police from Middletown and two other departments were serving a search warrant targeting Hoskins' brother, David, who shared the apartment.

    David Hoskins, 20, has a history of drug arrests and at least one conviction. He was in the living room when police entered. Officers arrested him after finding a small amount of marijuana, a glass pipe and $622, police said.

    In the locked bedroom, Jim Hoskins and his girlfriend, Valerie Custer, 25, of Philadelphia, were lounging in bed, watching TV. "General Hospital," Hoskins said with a chuckle. "It wasn't my choice."

    He recalled being startled by "a loud thud. It sounded like something came crashing down off a shelf." He said he got up to investigate, bunching a T-shirt over his genitals as he reached to open the door.

    At the same instant, he said, a man in street clothes pushed his way in. Hoskins said he turned instinctively to his left, "and then a gun went off."

    He said the officer had said nothing and never identified himself. "I kind of thought my house was being robbed," he said. "He didn't have anything on that said police."

    The shot staggered him, Hoskins said, but he remained standing. "I turned to the guy and said, 'I don't deserve this... . Why'd you do this to me? I didn't do anything wrong."

    The bullet had torn through his stomach, small intestine and colon before lodging in his leg.

    Bleeding heavily and short of breath, he lowered himself onto the bed. "I said, 'Am I going to die?' He said, 'Shut the... up; you'll be fine.' "

    Hoskins said he recalled a second man placing a compress against his wound before he was carried out on a stretcher. He remembered his girlfriend screaming, but nothing else that was said.

    "At that point, I was only worried about living," he said. "I really wasn't paying attention to anything else around me."

    When he arrived at St. Mary, Hoskins "was basically out of blood," his grandfather Fritz Wagner said. "He was very close to death."

    Doylestown lawyer Thomas Mellon Jr. recently filed a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of Hoskins and Custer. Mellon said the police records he has reviewed showed no "necessity for them to come in with their guns drawn."

    Before the shooting, Hoskins had been working two jobs - full time as a supervisor at a Newtown nursery and landscape business, and part time as a service station cashier.

    Hoskins, who has no arrest record, agreed to let his brother move in with him last fall, hoping to be a positive influence.

    Asked whether he was angry with his brother over the shooting, Hoskins was told by Mellon not to answer. "He is a very different person from his brother," Mellon said.

    For now, Hoskins, a graduate of Neshaminy High School, labors three hours a day in physical therapy sessions.

    In a blue T-shirt and gray athletic shorts, he winced slightly as he shifted in his bed, but he spoke with good humor. He joked that he wanted to drink a beer and eat some chicken upon his discharge.

    "My plans haven't changed," he said. "I still want to be a successful person, and to have a nice family. That much hasn't changed."
     
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    April 7, 2004 - The Philadelphia Inquirer (PA)
    Man Shot In His Apartment By Police Hopes For Justice
    He Was Not The Target Of The Raid In Feb. That Cost Him A Leg. The Bucks County D.A. Is Investigating.
    By Larry King, Inquirer Staff Writer
    Return to Drug War News: Don't Miss Archive

    The violence that cost James Hoskins his left leg was instantaneous. Yet two months later, the young Levittown man still struggles to comprehend it.

    Hoskins, 22, was naked and unarmed when a Middletown police detective shot him Feb. 6 in the bedroom of his apartment during a drug raid.

    Neither Hoskins nor his girlfriend, who was in the bedroom with him, was the target of the afternoon raid. The Bucks County District Attorney's Office is investigating the shooting.

    "Hopefully, they will say this was a crime," Hoskins said yesterday in his first public remarks since the shooting. "Hopefully, they will make the right decision."

    A lawyer representing Middletown Township and Dale Keddie Jr., the officer who shot Hoskins, declined to comment specifically on the case. He did say that Keddie remains on active duty.

    "We're not going to try the case in the press," attorney Joseph Santerone said. "We will wait for the district attorney to reach a decision."

    Hoskins spoke to reporters from his bed at St. Mary Medical Center, where he has been since the shooting. He spent several weeks in a medically induced coma and has undergone more than 30 operations for leg and abdominal injuries.

    On Feb. 24, surgeons were forced to amputate his left leg at mid-thigh.

    Hoskins did not know his leg was gone, or that it was a police officer who shot him, until weeks later. He was still semi-coherent when doctors decided to sit him up in bed, but his mother intervened.

    "I said, 'No, I have to tell him before he sees it,'" Debbie Hoskins said. She said she took his hand, told him that his leg was gone, that a lot of things had happened to him, but that he was going to live.

    "I said, 'Give me a squeeze if you understand what Mommy is trying to tell you.' And he started to cry and gave me a squeeze," she said.

    James Hoskins said the news surprised him, because he had been feeling "ghost pains," as though his leg were still there. "It was hard for both of us; we were both crying," he said.

    As his condition improved, Hoskins said, he learned that the apartment intruders he had taken for robbers were actually police officers.

    "I couldn't believe it, that police officers would act in such a way," he said.

    Police from Middletown and two other departments were serving a search warrant targeting Hoskins' brother, David, who shared the apartment.

    David Hoskins, 20, has a history of drug arrests and at least one conviction. He was in the living room when police entered. Officers arrested him after finding a small amount of marijuana, a glass pipe and $622, police said.

    In the locked bedroom, Jim Hoskins and his girlfriend, Valerie Custer, 25, of Philadelphia, were lounging in bed, watching TV. "General Hospital," Hoskins said with a chuckle. "It wasn't my choice."

    He recalled being startled by "a loud thud. It sounded like something came crashing down off a shelf." He said he got up to investigate, bunching a T-shirt over his genitals as he reached to open the door.

    At the same instant, he said, a man in street clothes pushed his way in. Hoskins said he turned instinctively to his left, "and then a gun went off."

    He said the officer had said nothing and never identified himself. "I kind of thought my house was being robbed," he said. "He didn't have anything on that said police."

    The shot staggered him, Hoskins said, but he remained standing. "I turned to the guy and said, 'I don't deserve this... . Why'd you do this to me? I didn't do anything wrong."

    The bullet had torn through his stomach, small intestine and colon before lodging in his leg.

    Bleeding heavily and short of breath, he lowered himself onto the bed. "I said, 'Am I going to die?' He said, 'Shut the... up; you'll be fine.' "

    Hoskins said he recalled a second man placing a compress against his wound before he was carried out on a stretcher. He remembered his girlfriend screaming, but nothing else that was said.

    "At that point, I was only worried about living," he said. "I really wasn't paying attention to anything else around me."

    When he arrived at St. Mary, Hoskins "was basically out of blood," his grandfather Fritz Wagner said. "He was very close to death."

    Doylestown lawyer Thomas Mellon Jr. recently filed a federal civil rights lawsuit on behalf of Hoskins and Custer. Mellon said the police records he has reviewed showed no "necessity for them to come in with their guns drawn."

    Before the shooting, Hoskins had been working two jobs - full time as a supervisor at a Newtown nursery and landscape business, and part time as a service station cashier.

    Hoskins, who has no arrest record, agreed to let his brother move in with him last fall, hoping to be a positive influence.

    Asked whether he was angry with his brother over the shooting, Hoskins was told by Mellon not to answer. "He is a very different person from his brother," Mellon said.

    For now, Hoskins, a graduate of Neshaminy High School, labors three hours a day in physical therapy sessions.

    In a blue T-shirt and gray athletic shorts, he winced slightly as he shifted in his bed, but he spoke with good humor. He joked that he wanted to drink a beer and eat some chicken upon his discharge.

    "My plans haven't changed," he said. "I still want to be a successful person, and to have a nice family. That much hasn't changed."
     
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    The very definition of JBTs. :barf:
     
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    I'm sure he deserved it. He was obviously clutching a deadly weapon. Who are we to judge; we weren't there.
     
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    You know karma's a b-tch and perhaps Officer Keddie will suffer the same fate.

    One can hope, anyway. :evil:
     
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    More "collateral damage" in the "war on drugs".:( I have to wonder which is harming our society more?
    Johnny or Jane smoking grass or cops busting down doors and shooting innocent people?
    (not to mention assest confiscation without due process)

    I bet the founding fathers are spinning in their graves! :uhoh:


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    Hmmm.

    An article that is completely based on the statements of the individual who was shot.

    Hmmm.

    And yet people state with certainty that there was JBThuggery involved. The willingness of the posters on THR to go out on limb to decide that the police did wrong never ceases to amaze.

    Good shoot? Bad shoot? Could be either. You sure cannot tell from this.

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    Unless the guy wasn't naked in his own apartment, I'm not interested in whatever excuses that the cop has.

    The fact is that he shot an unarmed naked man who was in his own apartment. Period.

    If the police are trying to excuse this and won't discipline or discharge the moron who shot him, then the officials in charge are just as contemptible.

    That cop should be facing jail time and the civil suit from Hell. :fire:
     
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    Coronach,

    I have to admit that it is certainly easier to be objective about this case when one looks at the facts. The fact of the matter is that this was not an "oops, wrong house" or a bogus warrant. The dope was there. I find it easy to believe that this man was fully aware of what was going on under his roof. The cops should be given the benefit of the doubt in this case. There definitely needs to be an investigation though.
     
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    http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/219-04252004-288997.html

    The above article is clearly biased in the officer's favor, but it brings about an interesting tidbit, "Keddie, posing as a maintenance man accompanied by seven other officers". So we have a plain-clothed officer as the point man in a drug raid.

    If this is true, how many people here would have been waiting inside the bedroom and ended up shooting the officer? How many of us could get away with shooting a man because of a situation like this outside of one's own home: "He said Hoskins was holding a small dark object at his side, and that Hoskins stepped toward him" ?
     
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    Ahh, so when you do find the "dope" it is okay to shoot unarmed naked men, thanks for clearing that one up.

    atek3
     
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    Are cops EVER held accountable in cases like this? Seems like I never hear about it if they are.
     
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    why the hell would the cop pose as a maintenance man if he had a warrant?
     
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    Kindly point out where I said that if you don't mind.
     
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    Another 'war on some drugs' success story. :rolleyes:
     
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    What we appear to have here is your garden-variety "what does he have in his hand? Oops it wasn't a gun." Which, while tragic for all involved, is a scenario that has been played out since the beginning of LE, and is not exactly an example of new-age gestapo JBThuggery.

    Naturally, it all depends on the facts of the case, which two biased articles (one each way) do not provide.

    Mike
     
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    you seem to be justifying this:
    On the basis of:
    Forgive me if this wasn't your intent?

    atek3
     
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