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Man with unloaded gun killed by victim

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by straightShot, May 19, 2007.

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  1. straightShot

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    http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070519/NEWS01/705190372

    A self defense situation where the reporters and the police both got it right...


    May 19, 2007

    BY BEN SCHMITT and JACK KRESNAK

    FREE PRESS STAFF WRITERS

    A robbery and crime spree aided by an unloaded gun came to a halt late Thursday when the gunman met more than his match: a gun with bullets.

    Charles Parker Jr., 18, of Detroit was killed when a 53-year-old man pulled out a 9mm handgun and shot the teen, who was armed with an unloaded .22-caliber handgun.

    Detroit police are calling it self-defense.

    The botched carjacking on Grand River and Prevost came after a string of robberies in Detroit on Thursday, which police said were committed by Parker and four others, ranging in age from 16 to 20.

    The robberies began about 8:40 p.m. Thursday at Kentucky and Curtis when a 16-year-old was robbed of his cell phone, a silver chain and his wallet, by at least two of the suspects, police said.

    At 9:30 p.m., the robbers attempted to carjack a couple in the driveway of their home in the 19600 block of Appoline, police said. One pointed the unloaded gun at the couple and pulled the trigger.

    The teens fled without the car.

    Later, police said, the robbers saw a man at a Detroit car wash and tried to carjack him. The one approached with the unloaded gun and the other wielded a baseball bat, police said.

    That's when the man washing his car fired, striking Parker.

    Parker's alleged accomplices took him to Sinai-Grace Hospital where he was pronounced dead on arrival. Hospital security officers detained the other youths until police arrived. Police spokesman James Tate said a 17-year-old Detroit female, 16-year-old Southfield boy, a 19-year-old Southfield man, and a 20-year-old Detroit man are in custody.

    They face arraignment on armed robbery charges today in Detroit's 36th District Court.

    After the shooting, police questioned the 53-year-old man and released him, noting that he had a valid concealed weapons permit.

    Then they gave him back his gun.

    Contact BEN SCHMITT at bcschmitt@freepress.com.
     
  2. Johannes_Paulsen

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    I am glad the couple wasn't injured and that this man was able to stop these thugs!
     
  3. slewfoot

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    Charles Parker Jr., 18 formerly of Detroit is now where he belongs.
     
  4. Geno

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    Wow...they released him "...and gave him back his gun."
     
  5. Risasi

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    I don't believe in evolution...but that is natural selection at work there.
     
  6. Double Naught Spy

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    Somehow, I don't see calling the hero of the story a victim. He made sure he was NOT a victim. He might have been the INTENDED victim

    It is sort of like articles you read where it is reported that bystanders took action. At the point where a person takes action, they are no longer a bystander, but an actor.
     
  7. Len S

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    DNS,

    Of course you are right. A big, HOWEVER, is in order here. In this day and age ,when we, as gun owners need all the public support that we can get. To show that a "victim" turned the tables on a thug gives the sheeple a thing to ID with and maybe, just maybe come to our side. We have let the left and mainstream media make guns and gun owners the outsiders. They have told the big lie so many times and it is so commonplace that people accept it as fact. Let "victims" turning the tables onthugs become common place so it, instead of the big lie, is accepted as truth. We as "gun people know the man chose not to be a victim. Maybe we should say the gun "enpowered" the man to not be a victim. Oh how I hate that "enpowered them" phrase.

    Len
     
  8. 230RN
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    Glad to hear of the savings to the State of uncounted dollars in incarcerating the perpetrator.

    And they gave the intended victim his gun back! Woo-Hoo!

    Questions:

    (1) Doesn't Michigan have one of those laws wherein accomplices in the commission of a felony where death results can be charged with murder? Or is this not applicable in this case?

    (2) Can the Brady Boobs count this 18-year-old's death as another "child's" death by a firearm?
     
  9. erik the bold

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    If I remember correctly;

    Q1: Yes

    Q2: N/A in this case, as no innocent death occured.

    In Michigan, someone convicted of aiding and abeting are considered the same as the perpetrator and consequential applicable punishiment would apply
     
  10. ravencon

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    Somebody has to say it-- Never bring an unloaded gun to a gunfight.
     
  11. General Geoff

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    It takes some serious lack of vision to try carjacking with an unloaded gun.


    Kudos to the man with the 9mm.
     
  12. The Deer Hunter

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    Dumb kid got what he deserved. I'm curious as to where he got the gun.
     
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    Since when does this stop the Brady bunch???!!!
     
  14. Sage of Seattle

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    No ammo for the punk's gun, eh?

    I'm wondering if his thought process went something like this: "Man! Just another two or three carjackings and I'll finally be able to afford a box o' them eXtreme SHOCK bullets!!"
     
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    Wait, they didn't charge the thug's accomplices with murder? Wasn't that the standard practice if someone died during the commissioning of their armed crimes?
     
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    The 53 year-old-man "had enough gun" and knew how to use it. :cool:
     
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    Don't let the .45 guys read this thread!...guess the 9mm has enough "oomph" after all!
     
  18. Edmond

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    Even here in IL, the accomplices would be charged for murder because their leader died during the commission of a felony.

    I hope they get charged like that. Put 'em away for 20 years.
     
  19. Flyboy

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    And that's why the Brady Bunch talks about "children killed by guns," not "children murdered by guns." We know their definition of "child" reaches up into the early- to mid-twenties; you think they're going to let the fact that the thug was in the process of committing a violent felony keep them from adding it to their tally?
     
  20. atomd

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    The 53 year old man should have politely asked if the gun was loaded. He then should have politely asked the criminal if he intended to engage in a gun fight. Then he should have immediately dropped his gun and fled to the nearest gun-free zone. After all, the criminal could have easily taken his gun from him and shot him with it. What is this world coming to when good citizens are allowed to defend themselves?!?! :D
     
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    How many shots did he fire? One? The kid didn't die "at the scene"...
     
  22. Mr White

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    I'm just glad they didn't refer to the dead punk as the victim.

    But I have no doubt that the Bradys will use this to tell of another promising life cut short by gun violence. They're masters at spinning a story to suit their agenda. "Several youths asked a man for a ride home and he shot and killed one of them."
     
  23. gear_merc

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    +1 all around. :D
    That's gun control. Hitting your target = dead punk. :evil:

    I hope they do prosecute the "friends" for the "felony murder rule".

    They gave him his gun back??? What were they thinking? :neener:

    Wonder how long he had to wait to get his gun back?
     
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    Bradys will most likely count it as a child.
     
  25. Zen21Tao

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    Actually what I think they'll do is use counter-factual thinking and blame the incident on the easy availability of firearms. They'll try to make it sound like the teen would have been at home in his bed asleep, at the movies with friends, or studying diligently at the library if he hadn't able to acquire that evil gun. Thats right, in the Brady's eyes he wouldn't have been committing the crime in the first place if he didn't have the gun. Of course, they will conveniently leave out the part where the other attacker/robber was armed with a baseball bat that he used during the attempted robbery.
     
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