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Manhattan millionaire faces 3 years in jail for pulling ‘unlicensed’ gun on burglar

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by usmarine0352_2005, Mar 16, 2013.

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  1. usmarine0352_2005

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    Why don't I see the millionare being treated like your average citizen?



    I wonder where the bodyguard was, and the fact that he left the gun there. Was the bodyguard in the bathroom?



    Goes to show you, you don't need guns. Only armed bodyguards.




    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...il-pulling-unlicensed-gun-burg/#ixzz2NfkfWEd0





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  2. Ryanxia

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    That's shocking... Not that it happened but because he's an elite and they usually only make anti-American laws for us peasants. I'm sure he'll be able to throw money at it and it will all go away.
     
  3. zorro45

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    Dumb move

    He should have conferred w/ legal counsel before handing over the video to the cops. Makes me glad I do not live there.
     
  4. Rembrandt

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    Yup, it's a stupid law.......guess New Yorkers got what they voted for. Let that be a lesson for everyone.
     
  5. Pilot

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    They made their bed.
     
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    Coming to Colorado real soon...:mad:
     
  7. Carl N. Brown

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    I posted on this on thread about MAIG, but it bears repeating:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/linen_king_could_get_three_years_7g9bQvT5ho26e8hLtXjODO
    Laura Italiano, "'Linen King' could get three years for illegal gun", New York Daily News, 13 Mar 2013.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/mar/14/man-faces-3-years-jail-pulling-unlicensed-gun-burg/
    Jessica Chasmar, "Man faces 3 years in jail for pulling ‘unlicensed’ gun on burglar inside his home", Washington Times, 14 Mar 2013.

    A burglar intruded into the NYC home of 60 year old businessman, George Bardwil of Bardwil Home Linen company, who then threatened the burglar with a gun registered to the businessman's bodyguard. The burglar ran away, was arrested later. Bardwil called 911 and showed police surveillance video of the incident. The police arrested Bardwil for illegal possession; he faces up to three years under the Sullivan Act. The DA office conceded the gun was used in self defense, but charged Bardwil with felony gun possession. The handgun was not registered to the man who used it, making it an illegal gun.

    George Bardwil has a history with NYPD and NYC:

    o 27 May 2009 arrested for allegedly assaulting his housekeeper.
    o Nov 2009 Bardwil pled guilty to midemeanor assault and got three years probation.
    o Aug 2010 NYC was sued over losing a $187,000 jewel encrusted belt buckle when Bardwil was arrested May 2009.
    o Oct 2011 $300,000 cash and jewelry robbed from his home, three suspects later arrested.
    o May 2013 Bardwil (60) faces charges of assault against his ex-wife (26); her head hit the sidewalk outside Bardwil's apartment; Bardwil claims she fell.
     
  8. steelerdude99

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    Great pun Pilot as he made is millions in the linen business. But anyhow, he's got some other legal issues:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/linen_king_could_get_three_years_7g9bQvT5ho26e8hLtXjODO

    chuck
     
  9. itsa pain

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    why did he call the cops?? when they show up they just love to arrest somebody even the victim
     
  10. goldie

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    He shouldnt have called the police.Also,the gun was not registered to him, he shouldnt have been in posession of it,unfortunately , thats how the law works...
     
  11. sota

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    wouldn't it be great if this guy fought the law all the way to SCOTUS, and won? I mean he's a member of the rich elite, he can afford it.
     
  12. Carl N. Brown

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    In Tennessee even a sleaze bag can use any gun at hand for self-defense against an intruder in a domicile: does not have to be registered or licensed to the user. Defense against an intruder in the domicile with any gun legally owned by anyone in the the domicile, even a loaner. Illegal possession charge might kick in depending on conditions (felon in possession, gun turns up stolen on NCIC, firearm possessed or used in furtherance of a criminal enterprise, could get up to 6 years).

    We don' require a permit in the home or place of business, and there is no registration here. Permit required to "go armed" in defense in public areas.
     
  13. Carl N. Brown

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    2A defendants have to be squeaky clean, walking on water like Heller or MacDonalD. As noted above Bardwil has a history.

    1A can be defended with Larry Flynt as a complaintant. 2A requires saints as complaintants.
     
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    That's a short response, but there is plenty wrong with it. I would venture to say that most of the readers of THR have take issue with the concept of a firearm that’s not registered to an individual. In the “Free states” as long as the person is not a felon (and the firearm otherwise legal), then defending their home with a firearm is their right. And why would you feel that not calling the police is the best option? Remember, the burgler is not the victim, the homeowner is the victim.

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  15. Pilot

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    Glad you got the pun. When you CHOOSE to live in a police state like NYC, and now NYS, you have to be extra careful to abide by the plethora of regs, and laws governing COMMON SENSE. Choose wisely.
     
  16. vito

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    I live in Illinois where we do not yet have any form of legal concealed carry. Of course the thugs carry all the time, but so do a lot of law abiding citizens who fear for their safety. Living in Rockford, where we have a higher crime rate than Chicago, I suspect that many gun owners take a firearm with them when leaving their home. If the firearm ends up stopping an incident, without firing a shot, I can see why one might not call the police. Primarily this would be to avoid becoming the victim by getting arrested, which absolutely would happen if you were outside your home, and secondarily, because it is highly unlikely that the BG would ever be apprehended. In fact, I would guess that some folks specifically carry revolvers, rather than semi-autos so that if they actually have to fire their gun, no tell tale cartridge cases end up on the street. If an otherwise law abiding citizen uses his firearm to protect him or herself, and believes that if unreported the incident will never likely lead back to themselves, and with knowing that if reported will lead to their arrest, it seems practical not to call the police. The man who is the subject of this thread was probably foolish to ever call the NYPD. Even if he now wins the case it will have cost him a fortune in legal costs and I am sure he will not get the gun returned. The criminal justice system flat out does not work for the law abiding person who just wants the ability to defend himself and his family or his property.
     
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    In a just world the rich violator would be sentenced to trying to buy ammo at Walmart like the rest of us poor serfs. Perp walk him through the spandex and fries department, he'd never commit a 'get your name on an official list' violation again.

    Gotta love the class warfare in these newspaper headlines don't you? Well, at least it balances out the commonly seen "Poor illiterate caught ...' headlines that predominate the crime headlines. No?
     
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    That's definitely one school of thought.

    It's a catch 22, and quite certainly why we don't hear more stories of armed self defense.
     
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    There is no "E Street" in Manhattan, NY. Which begs the question of what else the esteemed Washington Times may have gotten wrong in their traditional zeal to throw red meat on the rug for the less discerning members of America's conservative community.

    And the "victim's" prior record certainly colors his credibility here.

    Proceed with caution on this story, lest we beatify a thug instead of a saint.
     
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    Yes. Would I want to use George as an 2A poster boy? No. But. Do even thugs have a right to defend themselves against intruders into their home using whatever is at hand?

    George Bardwil lives on E. 51st Street in Manhattan. FWIW, Wash. Times seems to be echoing NY Daily News:

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/linen_king_could_get_three_years_7g9bQvT5ho26e8hLtXjODO
    Laura Italiano, "'Linen King' could get three years for illegal gun", New York Daily News, 13 Mar 2013.
     
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  21. FuzzyBunny

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    A multimillionare can afford the the attorneys to use every legal means possible to slow the process. It may be 10 years before it ever goes to trial.

    I have seen first hand what ppl with cash can do in the courts. One man had whole team of them and just 2 were dedicated to making motions to the court they the judge had to respond to before it could move forward. As soon as one was replied to then another one was presented.
     
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    I'm glad he at least has some $$$$ to get that lawyer.
     
  23. usmarine0352_2005

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    He'll probably just plead to a misdemeanor ending it all.
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  24. gym

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    Don't believe what you read. By the time things make the papers, they have a habbit of changing drastically. Unless he had a "safe room" that he could have gone in and waited for police, the charges will eventually be dropped.
    It's just the way things get done in NY. If the gun was illegal or he was carrying it, things would be more difficult, but if there is a legal weapon in reach, and your life is in danger, they aren't going to "go forward" with a prosecution. Unless there is more to this ,as I first said.
     
  25. itsa pain

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    one guy said why would you not call the police??? maybe so you don't get arrested spend 100,000 in legal bills have your name in the papers and have them question you 6000 times about what happened hoping you make a mistake spending days if not weeks to maybe clear your name and then drag your bodyguard into it and perhaps have his gun rights taken away from him other then a few minor hurdles it is a great idea to call police
     
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