Marijuana confirmed in home of 92 year old woman in Atl, GA.
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Ok, sorry that I am being so outrageous on this. I am just trying to make the point that such horrendous excesses and such despicable conduct is a normal practice in the WoD that it's hard to even imagine how much worse their conduct could be.
The WoD erodes the public respect for LEOs. I realize if the WoD were ended a lot of LEOs would need to seek other employment, but long term if LEOs want to retain the respect and cooperation of non-LEOs, the WoD must end.
The WoD erodes the public respect for LEOs. I realize if the WoD were ended a lot of LEOs would need to seek other employment, but long term if LEOs want to retain the respect and cooperation of non-LEOs, the WoD must end.
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In their defense
maybe she was using one of those Hollywood 58 shot revolvers! One can never be to careful!
maybe she was using one of those Hollywood 58 shot revolvers! One can never be to careful!
FourTeeFive
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This is ridiculous. If something bursts through my door I hope I have the opportunity to gun it down before it "identifies" itself!
So let me get this straight. Police have no legal responsibility to protect us (otherwise they could be sued for not protecting us). We supposedly have a right to defend ourselves. But we're not supposed to defend ourselves from people who "identify themselves as they burst through the doors"?!?!?!?!
So in other words the police are allowing absolutely no room for error, but if they do make a mistake guess who becomes the victim? The CITIZEN who pays their salary.
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Liberal Gun Nut, thanks, and I agree
That old lady violated a serious rule: a pistol should only be used to fight your way to your rifle.
If she had a rifle, then police would have died. Some might take this as a warning that their beside gun should NOT be a pistol, but rather something like an AK47, SKS, or AR-15. That way if there's a home invasion, and the BGs are wearing bullet proof vests, the victim might just live through the encounter.
That old lady violated a serious rule: a pistol should only be used to fight your way to your rifle.
If she had a rifle, then police would have died. Some might take this as a warning that their beside gun should NOT be a pistol, but rather something like an AK47, SKS, or AR-15. That way if there's a home invasion, and the BGs are wearing bullet proof vests, the victim might just live through the encounter.
FourTeeFive
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If your home is invaded by people wearing bulletproof vests, then the chances are they will be police. And I have serious doubts that anyone who returns fire during a police house raid will ever live through it.
TCB in TN
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One question
And just who is that an indictment of?
And just who is that an indictment of?
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She hit 5of6 times, using a revolver with a 6 round capacity. She hit 3of5 invaders, before they were able to fire on her.
Using a good semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine my guess is she'd have hit 20 out of 30 times, and hit all 5 before they had the chance to return fire. She fired at the threat (door being violently destroyed). She had the drop, just not the right tool for the job.
Repelling the first round of invaders can lead to a stalemate, where surrender is possible once the victim realizes that it is actually the police who tried to invade her home rather than robbers. If that had happened in this situation, I sincerely doubt she'd have been convicted of anything, in light of the facts that are now coming out.
Regardless, folks should think about whether or not a rifle would make a far better bedside gun than a pistol.
btw, I am in NO WAY advocating killing police. I'm just saying that sometimes bad guys wear bullet proof vests (they are NOT a restricted item in most states), and a homeowner who wants to protect their family should think about that possability.
I am postulating that what happened in Atlanta would have gone down FAR differently if that grandma had used a decent rifle as opposed to a rusty 6 shot revolver.
Kinda makes you think about the motives of the gun grabbing liberals, rinos and neo-cons. And puts this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=236818 into a certian kind of context.
Using a good semi-automatic rifle with a 30 round magazine my guess is she'd have hit 20 out of 30 times, and hit all 5 before they had the chance to return fire. She fired at the threat (door being violently destroyed). She had the drop, just not the right tool for the job.
Repelling the first round of invaders can lead to a stalemate, where surrender is possible once the victim realizes that it is actually the police who tried to invade her home rather than robbers. If that had happened in this situation, I sincerely doubt she'd have been convicted of anything, in light of the facts that are now coming out.
Regardless, folks should think about whether or not a rifle would make a far better bedside gun than a pistol.
btw, I am in NO WAY advocating killing police. I'm just saying that sometimes bad guys wear bullet proof vests (they are NOT a restricted item in most states), and a homeowner who wants to protect their family should think about that possability.
I am postulating that what happened in Atlanta would have gone down FAR differently if that grandma had used a decent rifle as opposed to a rusty 6 shot revolver.
Kinda makes you think about the motives of the gun grabbing liberals, rinos and neo-cons. And puts this thread http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=236818 into a certian kind of context.
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FourTeeFive
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You have much more faith in the system than I. The overwhelming evidence is that if they make a mistake, you lose.
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junyo: there's no way to know who's busting down your door.
And if someone gains enough time for the media to show up then they might survive The presence of media tends to have a way of making itchy trigger fingers less itchy.
And if someone gains enough time for the media to show up then they might survive
The presence of media tends to have a way of making itchy trigger fingers less itchy.All:
Thirty years ago, the cops raided my house. I asked to see the warrant and had my glasses knocked off my face. "There's your warrant."
They took my girlfriend's period- cramp pills, an ounce of weed and two five-inch-tall pot plants out back. I swear I'm not making this up, THEY ATE MY DINNER. French fried shrimp and mashed potatoes. They did compliment my cooking.
Fifteen hundred bucks later, I beat the "obstructing official business" and "cultivation of marijuana" charges. Fifty dollar fine.
The cop who led the raid played baseball with my brother who died in Vietnam. Small world. I met him at a party twenty years later and he felt bad for his Gestapo tactics.
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Thirty years ago, the cops raided my house. I asked to see the warrant and had my glasses knocked off my face. "There's your warrant."
They took my girlfriend's period- cramp pills, an ounce of weed and two five-inch-tall pot plants out back. I swear I'm not making this up, THEY ATE MY DINNER. French fried shrimp and mashed potatoes. They did compliment my cooking.
Fifteen hundred bucks later, I beat the "obstructing official business" and "cultivation of marijuana" charges. Fifty dollar fine.
The cop who led the raid played baseball with my brother who died in Vietnam. Small world. I met him at a party twenty years later and he felt bad for his Gestapo tactics.
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The problem is, it's a loser's game dave. They'll happily throw every resource of the state at you. Fine, you're A#1 ninja bad a$$ and the guys don't make it through your door; three seconds later the block is cordoned off, there's helicopters overhead and backup in force on the way. They've cut power and the phone, and the site commander is already waging infowarfare, telling the assembled media that you're a 'madman' with an 'arsenal' who's just slaughtered a 'decorated, much beloved' officer, and handing out press packets with pictures of his kids (notice how quickly the backgrounds/rap sheets of the victims of the Queens club shooting became public). Maybe, if you run out of the house at that second, you won't be killed during the entry, but again, that's just choosing years of court and anal rape before your execution over a hail of bullets or eating your gun. Discrepancies, questions, errors? It's not in the cops interest to let someone who shot one of them keep breathing, any more than it's in Tony Soprano's interests to let someone who shot at him keep breathing, and therefore for much the same reasons, once the machine spins up, watch those brave boys and girls close ranks, keep the story consistent and on message. And watch them pound and disparage anyone that questions the story or the message.
I personally don't believe in unwinnable situations; except for this one. The police decide they're coming in your house, searching your car, seizing your stuff, your best bet is grabbing your ankles and hoping for a gentle touch. It's not right, by any stretch of the imagination, but it is how it is.
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Yeah junyo, you're probably right
Hard to resist and survive the use of illegitimate overwhelming force.
Great analogy too:
Hard to resist and survive the use of illegitimate overwhelming force.
Great analogy too:
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There are only 2,343,467,642 reasons the war on drugs is usless and stupid besides this one? I'd expected much more. I can name at least 20,334,423 off the top of my head.
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The hit squad, I mean arrest team must have watched Reefer Madness one too many times. There is, carrying out your duty and the overzealous execution of it.
Autolycus
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Hopefully we will see police officers think twice before serving a no-knock warrant. Its getting sad that we have to even face these things from those who we pay to protect us.
I agree with Art concerning the root problem - the so-called "war on drugs".
I also have an issue with the general system of "confidential informants". Anywhere there is an interface of money between good guys and bad guys - and other influencing factors - the odds are things are going stink at some point.
The other issue is no-knock warrants and an obsession with invading peoples' homes over victimless so-called crimes. This as opposed to meticulous investigation, surveillance and quietly scooping up specific individual suspects on the street.
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I also have an issue with the general system of "confidential informants". Anywhere there is an interface of money between good guys and bad guys - and other influencing factors - the odds are things are going stink at some point.
The other issue is no-knock warrants and an obsession with invading peoples' homes over victimless so-called crimes. This as opposed to meticulous investigation, surveillance and quietly scooping up specific individual suspects on the street.
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