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Marlin 1894C (chambered 357 magnum)

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by ArnoldSKS, Apr 11, 2008.

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  1. ArnoldSKS

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    :confused: What is a rifle chambered in 357 magnum really good for? I'm looking for a new rifle, but don't want to spend a million bucks on several different chambers. I live in South Carolina and carry a Rossi 357 Revolver while I'm out backpacking and thought that a rifle would be better to carry to defend against Black Bears and crazy :cuss: people.

    So What do you guys think. Could I use this rifle in the fall to hunt deer effectively? How about hunting hogs. There are several companies that make quality ammunition (federal, buffalo bore, hornaday) in the 158-200gr bullets. I like the heavier bullets.
     
  2. ArmedBear

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    Hornady now makes LE ammo for .357. Buffalo Bore has .357 ammo that tops 1600 ft-lbs at the muzzle.

    I think it'll work on deer. Depends on how far away, of course, since .357 is not the flattest-shooting round, but it should work fine out to 100 yards no matter what.

    I've got one. It's a neat little gun, shoots tight little groups, it's light and an easy gun to carry -- straight grips carry best, IMO. Shoots LSWC .38 Spl reloads quite well. It's a viable plinker and small game gun, too.
     
  3. cowboyL1FE

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    I don't plan to hunt with it since I have a 7mm Mag, but I purchase a Marlin 1894 in .357 because I also purchased a Rossi in .357. The simplicity of carrying one type of round while backpacking, riding, etc appeals to me. Just my .02
     
  4. ArnoldSKS

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    So do you think that it's worth the $578.oo dollars listed on the Internet? I maybe able to get it cheaper if I look around town.
     
  5. ArmedBear

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    We have a sporting goods chain here in the West, Big 5 Sporting Goods. They have a smooth hardwood-stocked version for $400. I think Marlin does a special run for them. That's what I bought.

    You should be able to find the checkered-walnut version for $500 or a tad more.
     
  6. ArnoldSKS

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    Sounds good. I have Dick's sporting Goods and Academy Sporting near me.
     
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    I have been obsessing over handgun/carbine combos, I think I have five pairs now, anyway, just picked up an 1894C Thursday. $485 plus tax and a hoot to shoot.
     
  8. ArnoldSKS

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    Snorko,

    Are you shouting the heavy load? How accurate is it?
     
  9. ArnoldSKS

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    ArmedBear, Have you done any Boar Hunting with your 357? What loads do you use on a regular?
     
  10. Gila Jorge

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    Have one in 44mag and love it...would not hesitate to use it for deer, whitetails, not mulies...makes a heck of a coyote whopper and jack rabbit roller as well...I put a 2x Leupold on it so shooting running jacks is easier with my old eyes...
     
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    You might also look into a Rossi Model 92 in 357. The 92 action is stronger than the Marlin and can be found at less than $400 at times.

    I picked up this Interarms (Rossi) M92, with 16" barrel, for $380 delivered a while back.

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    I haven't shot anything over 158 grains yet but it will put them into less than 2" at 50 yds.

    I also found a Browning M92 357 for a little over what the new Marlin would cost you.

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    They're fun guns to have.
     
  12. cowboyL1FE

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    Here's mine...

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    I'm doing the same thing but going the .44 mag route. Why? Because I had the same question and concern that you did.
     
  14. JonB

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    That's a fine looking pistol CowboyL1FE
     
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    We've got several people on the Levreguns Community forum killing hogs and deer with the .357 mag from their rifles. 158 gr. @ 2000 fps or 180 gr. @ 1800 fps. The original .30 WCF did 165 @1930 fps. You can see that there's a lot of similarity there.
     
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    I went the .44 mag route for two reasons:
    1) I have a Stainless S&W 629 5"
    2) I could not find a 1894C Stainless to go with my S&W 686 4"

    I do expect to bet one ASAP.
     
  17. cowboyL1FE

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    Much appreciated JonB. The Beretta was my first cowboy action gun. Now I just need a coach gun so I can do some cowboy-action 3-gun.
     
  18. ArmedBear

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    Huh?

    Unlike the Marlin, it's wide open on the bottom and top, and the sides aren't any thicker. It's a neat gun, but stronger than the Marlin? I don't think so.

    WRT boar hunting, I haven't had the chance. Most of CA's legendary pig hunting is in and around the Condor habitat where lead bullets have been banned. I have to find or load some Barnes .357's. I haven't bought any Buffalo Bore, but I probably will soon for some out-of-state woods deer hunting. I'll report back.

    So far, I've shot LSWC .38 Spl handloads, WWB .38 Spl FMJFN, Fiocchi .357 FMJTC, WWB .357 SJHP, and maybe some Remington stuff through it (I forget). Shoots all of them well. I'm going to try the BB stuff soon.

    Buffalo Bore has pictures of some guys with 1894C's and deer they've shot, though. They're too rough to be fake.:) There's no reason not to use this gun for anything you'd use a .30-30 for, at least out to where the blunt .357 bullet's aerodynamics catch up with it.
     
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    As luck would have it....

    I was in the middle of reading this thread when I had to visit the "reading room", and as luck would have it, I found an old article that has some information that may still be valid. In April 1988 Guns & Ammo publisheed an article about pistol caliber carbines, which included the following information.

    In .357 Mag, the Marling 1894 they tested delivered the following:
    125gr Winchester JHP 2,183fps MV
    125gr Remington JHP 2,113fps MV
    145gr Winchester Silvertip 1,841fps MV
    158gr Winchester JHP 1,738fps MV

    They got 3-4inch 100 yard groups with the 125gr loads
    They got 2-3 inch 100 yard groups with both the 145gr and the 158gr loads.
    Groups were shot with open sights.
    Now, I realize this info is 20 years old, but I don't see either the rifle or the ammo getting any worse in the last 20 years. Probably a bit better. The author, Mike Venturino, considered it accurate enough for deer at 100 yards.

    Current ammo intended for "bigger" game hunting should increase the performance of the carbine in the game fields. Most 125gr loads are intended as defensive handgun rounds, and may not perform well on deer size game, considering their light jacket construction, and the increased velocity from the carbine barrel. The now popular 180gr bullets should do well, HOWEVER, the Marlin is not tolerant of rounds that are too long. If you want to shoot the 180gr loads, check their length carefully, to ensure that they will feed through the action. Many years ago I watched a gentleman who had loaded some 210gr LRN bullets in .38 Spl cases jam a Marlin solid. Even in the short .38 cases, he had loaded the very long 210gr RN to a length that would not feed from the tube magazine, tying up the gun, and requiring the rifle to be disassembled in order to clear the jam.

    Factory loads should be ok, even the heavy 180gr, but you would be wise to check carefully before stuffing them in to magazine tube. Over long rounds can be singfle loaded, and will work fine, butg trying to feed them from the mag is asking for a jam.

    The 1894 Marlin is a fine little carbine, I have one, an older gun (no crossbolt safety) bought last spring, used, but looking like new for $300.

    Practice a bit, so you learn how the rifle shoots, and get used to the drop between 50 and 100 yards. Load it with bullets built for the game you intend to take (and this will include hardcast SWC for some game), do your part and the rifle and ammo will do theirs adequately out to 100yards for deer size critters. One nice thing about the Marlin is that, if it doesn't go against your sense of esthetics, they can be easily scoped. A low power scope or a red dot sight can be a useful aid for shooting at longer ranges, especially if you are like me, getting to the point where the iron sights aren't as sharp and clear as they were 20+ years ago.
     
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    According to Paco Kelly at Leverguns.com "the new strong Marlins and Win
    94's are certantly strong enough for the 30,000 to 35,000 CUP levels. The new strong 92's can go to 50,000 CUP."

    This is from an article he wrote on Leverguns.com concerning loading the 45 Colt in leveraction rifles.

    Not trying to start anything, just passed on some info. from someone more knowledgeable tham me.:confused:
     
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    T Model 92's are definately stronger than the 94's. The old 92 design is also better suited for pistol caliber's IMHO. The 92 just seems to lock up better than the 94's.
     
  23. ArmedBear

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    Winchester 92 vs. 94.

    Marlin 1894 is a different animal -- and Marlin makes several similar actions for different cartridge lengths.

    stormspotter, I haven't proof-tested any of the things myself; I just know what the hot-loaders like Buffalo Bore and the grizzly gun customizers use. Now there are 92's specifically built for .454 Casull, but we're talking about .357's. I don't think there's any reason to choose the 92 over the 1894, other than balance and feel. If you like the 92, it'll certainly work.
     
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    They're good for a lot. Low recoil and with hunting loads good for deer sized game out to about 100 yards.

    Also most 357 mag lever guns can shoot .38 special for cheaper plinking.

    Great guns and it is on my wish list.
     
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    ????

    I have yet to see a 92 chambered in .444 or .450 Marlin or .45-70. Just looking at the Marlin action as opposed to a '92 or '94 will make it obvious which is the stronger.

    One thing I've noticed particularly with '92's and '94's is that sometimes you'll get that little "puff" of powder grains you can feel on your cheeks when you're shooting. It doesn't instill confidence in trying to shoot something stout that will handle big or dangerous game like a .45-70 will.
     
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