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Marlin QC problems and the Guide Gun?

Discussion in 'Rifle Country' started by AethelstanAegen, Sep 2, 2011.

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  1. AethelstanAegen

    AethelstanAegen Member

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    I've been hearing that Marlin has recently been having some quality control problems with some of their rifles. Does anyone know if this extends to their 1895 .45/70 rifles? I've been planning to buy an 1895G (the guide gun) but no local stores carry it, so I would have to order it sight unseen. Has anyone bought a Marlin guide gun recently and if so, how was the quality?

    Many thanks!
     
  2. Sheepdog1968

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    I bought an 1895 SBL not that long ago and it had around a half dozen issues that really should have been caught and fixed at the factory before it was sent out. I went into this eyes wide open because I had been looking for well over a year and had troubles finding this specific model. My advice would be to find a used one built 2007 or older rather than buy a new one.
     
  3. AethelstanAegen

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    Thanks for the input and advice, sheepdog1968. It's too bad that Marlin's having so many problems these days. I may just hold off until they sort the problems out.
     
  4. quietman

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    Some QC issues???? Try it's turning into a disaster.

    Receiver to barrel mating issues, canted sights, levers that won't cycle or feel like they're full of sand, poor checkering, poor wood to metal fit, the list goes on. And this isn't just with the guide gun.

    And Marlin says on their facebook page that everything is hunky dory. Tell that to a bunch of Marlin Owner members that each went into a store to buy a new rifle and walked out absolutely disgusted with what's on the shelf, refusing to buy.

    Let's not even get into the issues with the Marlin Express series that started in the 91 serial number series (last year they were made in CT).

    It's so bad that Marlin sent an 1894SBL to Shooting Times for review and the author actually complained about the poor manufacturing quality. And this was with a review rifle, which are usually hand selected to send to the magazines.

    Things are in a sad state right now and both Marlin and Remington refuse to acknowledge this to the public. So to the public it appears they are refusing to do anything ab out it except to keep shoving substandard guns into boxes for shipping.

    Rossi released a 45/70 this year, and Henry's will be out sometime next year. Henry's new version of their steel 30-30 is really nice. If Mossberg moves in with additional calibers, Marlin will be in even bigger trouble than they are now.
     
  5. PapaG

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    Read online that Marlin shut the doors and let out about 265 people. Any truth to that. It was also mentioned in one of the outdoor magazines.
    All my Marlins are OLD.....my 39 is from 1945, my 336 from the 50's, my 444 is not labelled 444, but rather 336-444, and my 94 is pre-safety. Love 'em all. Some of the newer ones we've gotten in the shop weren't nearly as well put together as the old ones. The new bolt guns were really nice, however.
     
  6. Mike1234567

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    I recently purchased 3 Marlins... looked for older ones in good shape just to avoid the hassle.
     
  7. sansone

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    the problems are there, but over-stated. If you get a bad one, you will need to send it back and wait. It sucks but the custom shop will fix it. I think they are in Kentucky
     
  8. Sheepdog1968

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    Our local dealer sends out a weekly newsletter. The one he sent out about 9 days ago had a deatiled listing of about a dozen or more 336, 1894, 1895 models that they will not be manufacturing for the rest of 2011. It was a long list. My reading the tea leaves is that hopefully they are temporarely haulting production to fix the mfg line.
     
  9. AethelstanAegen

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    I'll guess I'll have to keep an eye out for an older one or find one I can inspect in person before purchasing. I hadn't heard of the Rossi before. It looks intriguing. Anyone know anything about it?

    Sheepdog1968, awesome Thor's hammer sig.
     
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    I dug up the email. Here's the list:

    Marlin firearms has released notice that the following rifles will not be produced in 2011 :
    1895CB 1894SBL 1894CSBL 338MX 1894CB 357 1894CB 45 1894CB 44 1894SBL 1895G 338MXLR 444Marlin 1895XLR 1894CSS 1894SS
     
  11. Abel

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    Yes, they are trash. But there is no reason to call them Marlins. They're Remingtons.
     
  12. Mike1234567

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    They're the diet Coke of Marlins. Just one calorie... not even enough.
     
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    Marlin....a tragedy of sorts.
     
  14. Abel

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    The last Guide Gun that I picked up was in a gunshop in Goldsboro, NC. It was brand new, with the tag. It had a remington serial number.

    It was missing the rear sight elevator and the front sight was crooked. You keep on buyin' them junk Marlingtons.
     
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    This fax from the Freedom Group was posted on the Marlin Owners Forum:

    "As of Aug. 12 2011 all Marlin lever production has offically been suspended for the remaining 2011 calender year while we try to fix the production quality issue at our plant".

    Apparently it listed every single Marlin lever made and the serial/production numbers.

    I would suggest if you are serious about purchasing a new Remington made Marlin (REMLIN) that you sign up at the Marlin Owners Forum and read the Marlin Rant section

    http://www.marlinowners.com/

    I absolutely HATE to see what has happened to Marlin. I have always been VERY happy with my Marlin Rifles, the first of which was given to me on my 10th birthday by my Grandfather (a bolt action tube-fed Marlin 22LR) Since then I have had numerous lever action 336 rifles in 30-30 and my current favorite deer rifle, my first-run JM stamped Marlin XS7 in 7mm-08. Its the most accurate hunting rifle I have ever owned.

    Personally, I think the old Marlin is dead... and its a dam shame too.
     
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    Dude, whatever. I said the last GG. The last three 336's I picked up were crap too. You're not going to get me to drink the Kool-Aid.
     
  17. DPris

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    First, review guns are not all hand selected. Pure horsepuckey.

    From there, the .44 Mag 1894 I acquired about three years ago came with a shattered stock in a pristine box.
    The .410 levergun I worked with a couple years back was showing decreasing fit between steel & wood.
    The .357 levergun I had briefly here shortly after was so bad it was returned to Marlin unfired.

    The samples I saw at the SHOT Show in Vegas this year had what looked like bubblegum filling gaps between stock & tangs. One levergun showed daylight through the gaps, they were so big. Quality of machining has also been declining.

    I am not a Ruger fan looking to bash Marlins, that suggestion is absurd.
    I personally am a longtime fan of Marlin leverguns, and I have four that I've spent a fair amount of money on in customising to my needs. All four are at least three years old.

    Declining QC on the Marlin leverguns is a very real phenomenon, and I, for one, genuinely hope they can get their act together in the new plant.
    My working centerfire leverguns are all Marlins. A smooth transition from old to new was not really expected, but it's apparently been worse than anticipated.
    Denis
     
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  18. elano

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    It's rediculous to not acknowlage the decline in quality on the marlin levers. I can pick up any new marlin and tell the quality is crap just by looking at tye wood. It fits like something made in china. Gaps everywhere and nothing like my older marlins. Not even the same wood. It's like holding a cheap knockoff of an old marlin, however the price only went up while quality went down. You can't pee on me and tell me it's raining.
     
  19. Mike1234567

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    Jeff, why so angry?
     
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    ah....life on the Errornet....lol...

    I am not saying anyone here just reads a rumor then passes it on as fact "because it happened to me when I bought mine" but the simple fact is that does happen more often than not on the internet. I would say if you want one go look at one and make up your own mind rather than listening to people you don't know on the biggest rumor mill in the universe.

    Marlin has owned up to some issue and have suspended the manufacture of 13 of their 27 models of lever guns. They have issues related to moving and to hiring new employees...there is going to be a time period before everything meshes together again. I think Marlin would have been smarter to just start making a few models at a time rather than starting with the entire line but that is my opinion.
     
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    I have customers waiting for marlin leverguns, I have been told by 2 wholesale suppliers not to expect any this year.

    Remington is doing OK with the marlin bolt guns for obvious reasons. I doubt they are willing to give up the lever market. This hiccup will pass, Remington's reputation has been tainted which explains the total stoppage of lever production.

    Sure it sickens me to see this happen to a fine american manufacturer (marlin & remmington) but I expect total recovery of the leverguns next year.
    For now we need to search the used market for levers and they are being horded and overpriced
     
  22. DPris

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    Jeff,
    My review gun statement was directed at Quietman's comment about review samples sent to magazines "usually" being handpicked. Not so in my experience.

    ALL four of my Marlin leverguns were made at the old plant, I didn't say otherwise. The .410 that showed a bit of slippage was made at the old plant. The .357 that was returned unfired was built at the old plant. Among eight Marlin leverguns I've either owned or worked with during the past 10 years, I can trace that decline to slightly over two years ago. I've owned & used enough of 'em, and I've checked out several each year at SHOT.

    The notable decline in QC at Marlin began about a year to 18 months before the closing of that old factory.
    I've talked to people inside Remington about it not long after the acquisition of Marlin, they were very much aware of it, and at the meeting where the announcment was made to the employees that the plant would be shut down, one employee was overheard saying "Maybe we brought it on ourselves."

    The closing of the old plant, with worn out equipment, and the opening of the production facilities at Ilion with new equipment were expected to cure the situation.

    I didn't say the entire problem was centered around the new plant, far from it. Problems were expected though, anytime you start up a new factory with new equipment and totally new employees, you'd be a fool to expect perfection in product output from Day One. It just appears the transition may be a little rougher than many anticipated.

    John Taffin tells me he got a report on the current plant shutdown to regroup on the QC issue, I have no reason to doubt him.
    You have the Remington email listed here on the issue.

    If you're on many Internet forums, you should have seen several posts about new Marlin leverguns that weren't even functional, some refusing to chamber a round.

    I don't recall saying or seeing anybody else say that ALL new Marlin leverguns are total junk. In the very recent past I've advised to inspect one carefully before laying out money, I've never said "Don't buy one!"

    If you've seen some that were well done, that's great. I wouldn't make disparaging comments to you when you relate your experiences, I'd appreciate the same courtesy from you.

    Speaking of hand-picked samples, if those that Marlin had on display at the SHOT Show (THE industry sales convention in the US) to draw orders & generate publicity were the best Marlin was producing at the beginning of this year, the rest must be pretty sad.

    Put very simply, there has been a notable decline in Marlin levergun quality, any of them made within the past two years (old plant or new) may be a gamble, it's advisable check a prospective new purchase over thoroughly in person before buying, and those of us who say this are not bashing Marlin just for fun, nor are we giving up on the company.
    And, I'm not saying they're ALL junk.

    If you've seen some good ones, I've seen some bad ones.
    Fair enough?
    Denis
     
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    There have been some QC issues with the Marlin bolt guns too, but as a whole they are fewer than with the lever rifles. I have read numerous complaints about barrels lacking threads, rusted parts in newly purchased rifles and barrels that just won't shoot because the chamber was bored off center. (not widespread from what I can tell)

    The lever action Marlin 30-30 is an American icon. I would bet that more game has been harvested in the USA with this rifle in the last 100 years than any other two rifles combined. I really hope Remington gets this worked out and can deliver the same reliability as the Marlin of old, but I remain pessimistic.

    I have not been impressed at all with the newer Remingtons. My 1979 742 Remington Woodsmaster is of MUCH higher quality (ie wood quality, bluing, machined parts, etc...) than any of the Remingtons I have seen in the last 5 years... and that rifle is universally considered to be one of their worst models ever... Ironically, the finish work on that old self destructive 742 is 5X anything I have seen from Remington lately...
     
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    I don't understand all the hooey about this.

    FACT: The production of many Marlin levergun models has been suspended in order to address build and QC issues.

    You don't do that unless the product going out the door is below par for a period of time, as if it could be corrected without a shutdown, it would have been.

    If the manufacturer is taking a step as drastic as stopping production for these reasons, it is then reasonable to suggest that a recent production rifle should be bought only after putting your hands on it.

    I hope they get it right and start producing my favourite leveraction rifles again.

    I also wish I could find a rack full of good ones to inspect that had an 1894CB 45LC in it because, darn it, I want one.

    Last thing, the shutting down of production means those griping about a decline in quality were right. Otherwise, I'd have my 1894CB 45LC already.
     
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    I looked at A new 336 Youth model yesterday. The stock stood 1/4" proud of the metal was so big I could barely get my hand around it. Looks like hell!!!
     
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