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Masaad Ayoob On Answering Your Door

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by Night Rider, Nov 2, 2022.

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  1. Blue Jays

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    Here is a SimpliSafe video shown on the MrGunsNGear Twitter page of a fake pizza delivery:
    https://twitter.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1594707051896344576?s=20&t=lPKcXnUKVtG3axx52ECKcQ

    Yet another reinforcement to NOT open entry door to help with sorting a seemingly "honest" mistake.
    Nearly everyone who does delivery work has access to GPS, texting, and calling. They'll figure it out.
     
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    Google Maps sucks. Bad. And it is the least bad of them all.

    EVERY SINGLE DAY, I get directed to the wrong place.

    EVERY.
    SINGLE.
    DAY.

    Never mind being given the wrong address in the first place.
     
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  3. Jeff White

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    Alarm companies aren't any better, I cringe when I think of how many times I was dispatched to the wrong address for a burglar alarm. Out of state monitoring centers many companies use are terrible about that, especially in a rural area.

    Google Maps and Apple Maps send people down field roads and other roads that aren't safe or even open. For years if you were following Google or Apple maps from St Louis to where I live the software tried to take you across the dam at Carlyle lake, a road that has never been open to vehicle traffic since the dam was built in 1965. It's always been pedestrian traffic only.
     
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  4. Blue Jays

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    I don't care about the local pizza dude and their 30 minutes or less food delivery mission. I am still not answering my door for an innocent-sounding person seeking a specific street address. That is not my problem. They can call their boss or directly call the customer and get things sorted with them.
     
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    UL lists central stations. It is relatively hard to get a listing so most small alarm companies use someone else's existing central station.
     
  6. Jeff White

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    Could be a bad situation if you hit your panic alarm and the out of state central station sends help to the wrong address.
     
  7. Night Rider

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    You do you Boo.

    I can't think of a number of people period I want to see.
     
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    And I don't give a rodent's gluteus maximus whether you answer the door or not. I'm just telling you that your magic GPS isn't all its cracked up to be.
     
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    Near the end of that video I see a second guy coming up the walk.
     
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    Obsolete 10 year old video that reflects how technology has overtaken events.
     
  11. Blue Jays

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    So open a THR thread about GPS if you want to complain about navigation.
    This thread is very clearly labeled: Masaad Ayoob On Answering Your Door
     
  12. Kleanbore

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    To borrow from legal jargon, a poster "opened the doo"r when he said that navigation systems obviate the need for asking directions.
     
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  13. Blue Jays

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    To borrow from Blue Jays common sense jargon…a delivery service or person has NO BUSINESS just strolling onto private property to "ask directions" in these contemporary times. It is no longer 1953.

    If GPS presents too big of a hurdle for the delivery person…they can call their supervisor for additional company guidance or even go old school with a classic folding paper map. Their choice.

    In any of those lost people cases…a homeowner is cautioned against innocently opening their door, regardless of the breathless, tearful, and soulful plight offered by the person knocking.

    Call your boss, pizza delivery dude. Not my problem.
     
  14. Kleanbore

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    We have gone off the track from the question of how to answer a door without incurring undue risk to the philosophy of whether to answer a door at all. Not answering introduces another set of potential problems and, in fact, risk--an unanswered knock at the front can be followed bu tumultuous entry in the back.

    Let's ger back on topic,
     
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  15. Night Rider

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    There is a difference between answering a door and opening a door.

    In the video Mas says (paraphrased) you shouldn't answer (open) the door unless you are absolutely certain of who's on the other side.

    So, I absolutely believe that deciding whether or not you should answer (open) the door you should be part of the metric
     
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  16. Kleanbore

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    there sure is.
    But he does answer the door.
    Eh?
     
  17. Night Rider

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    As part of a training scenario.

    My last comment had more to do with the fact that deciding whether or not to open the door is part of the decision making process
     
  18. Kleanbore

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    Or whatever. What is your point?
    Was it about opening or answering?
     
  19. JohnKSa

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    Which could signal to the person that no one is home and make them think that a break-in is a good idea. The point is that whether you answer or not, there's a potential downside. Don't answer and you could be signaling them to go ahead and break in. Answer and you could make yourself vulnerable. A video doorbell is probably one of the best options since it gives the ability to signal that you are at home without making yourself vulnerable to the person at the door.
    Not sure what you're getting at. How would you be sure that you know (or don't know) the person without seeing them?
     
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  20. Night Rider

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    1. I have a Ring doorbell. So, I will see you at my door and I will be able to communicate with you without opening the door.

    2. I have a very small circle,and they know better than to randomly show up at my home. An unexpected knock on my door is automatically someone I don't know.

    3. As a side note I'm hearing impaired. My friends know that, they text me. If the phone rings it's not anyone I know and if it's not one of those six people on my contact list it goes straight to voicemail anyway.
     
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  21. JohnKSa

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    Makes sense. So your comment about not needing to see someone was not meant literally, then. You obviously do need to see them and have actually made provision to do so.
     
  22. Night Rider

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    What I meant specifically is if I don't know you, you're not welcome at my home. As I mentioned earlier, if you knock on my door unexpectedly I can categorically assume I don't know you. I don't need to see you to know that.
     
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  23. JohnKSa

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    Ok, so pretty much irrelevant to most other people given your somewhat unique situation, but thanks for explaining your somewhat cryptic comment.
     
  24. Night Rider

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    So people just randomly drop in to visit you? With no warning at all? That is a completely foreign concept to me
     
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  25. JohnKSa

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    Yes, people knock on my door when I don't expect it. Sometimes they have no business doing so, sometimes they do.

    A couple of recent examples that come to mind.

    A person from the neighborhood knocked on my door to inform me that the trunk on my car was open. Something went wrong with the releasing mechanism and it just came open. I was happy that the person knocked on my door to let me know about the problem even though I didn't expect the "visit" and happy that I answered the door even though I didn't know them.

    A person from several streets over knocked on my door to deliver some mail that had inadvertently been sent to their address. In fact, this has happened twice in the past year or so. Once it was a package, once, believe it or not, it was my tax refund check. In both cases I was happy that they knocked on my door even though I wasn't expecting them and happy that I answered the door even though I didn't know them.
     
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