Match Bullets For Deer Hunting

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I’ve hunted match bullets more than any other “hunting” bullets for the last ~12yrs, and have been using match bullets for deer for most of the last 25yrs.

Sierra Matchkings, Berger Hybrids, Hornady ELDm’s and A-Max’s before that. Dozens of coyotes, handfuls of hogs and deer, I’ve never - ever - experienced this internet legend of match bullets penciling through without expanding. On the contrary, I typically find match bullets like these to expand exceptionally violently. They enter about 4-5” and explode like a terrorist in a bomb vest, turning the contents of the chest cavity into jello salad.

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123 ELDm
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Sure looks like this one just penciled through and didn’t expand, eh?
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Well, the 30-06 was not designed for hunting anyway, so even if you use a "hunting" bullet, it was still not "designed" for hunting. Neither was the 6.5cm :rofl:
There are match bullets that aren't good for hunting.
There are match bullets that are good.
Personally, I'd rather use an SMK or ELD-M than any core loct. Your results may be different.
In the case of the ELD-M, it actually has a thinner jacket than the ELD-X. 0.024 vs 0.051. This means the ELD-M is probably going to over expand at close range and possibly not penetrate enough. However, at slower speeds/longer range, this "disadvantage" might dissappear.
Of course, the marketers at Hornady want you to buy the ELD-X for hunting and the ELD-M for targets. They're not going to give any creedence to the ELD-M as a hunting bullet, even if it is , why would they?
As long as they're both available, I'm going to use the ELD-X for hunting. I've proven its merrit to myself over the last few years, so why wouldn't I ?
With that said however, I have no fear of using an ELD-M or SMK if I have to.
 
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I talked to an elk hunter who had 308 Win bullets blew up on the skin of an elk, causing a horrible wound. I forget which brand it was, it was not a target bullet. and then he found a brand that worked, and I don't remember those either. But the thing is, I believe it is better to use a bullet in an application the manufacturer recommends, because those sort of incidents are less likely to happen. When bullet manufacturers explicitly recommend not to use target bullets for game hunting, I assume they know better than I do.

Cave man used arrows, might be better tools for the job. And this was un necessary and cruel to the animal

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Anyone every shoot A-Max? My bolt gun uses them. They are target match pills.
The reason I have several 1000 of them, is because of a friend who works in a coroner's office.
He showed me pics of a drug battle that just about everyone died in.
They were using .556 A-Max. The coroner told him to grab any where there was bone.
He did at several lace and told me it felt like an 60s bean bag ash tray that was full of sand.
Mine are 7.62, 178gr. Big bean bags
 
Mfg's can say whatever they choose. Results are what matters. I have used SMK and Hornady BTHP match bullets and the deer I shot didn't know the difference.:cool:
 
I talked to an elk hunter who had 308 Win bullets blew up on the skin of an elk, causing a horrible wound. I forget which brand it was, it was not a target bullet. and then he found a brand that worked, and I don't remember those either. But the thing is, I believe it is better to use a bullet in an application the manufacturer recommends, because those sort of incidents are less likely to happen. When bullet manufacturers explicitly recommend not to use target bullets for game hunting, I assume they know better than I do.

Cave man used arrows, might be better tools for the job. And this was un necessary and cruel to the animal

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I fully agree with this. Hunting bullets are designed for specific size game at specific velocity zones. Match bullets may or may not expand, or expand to quicky, not have mass integrity or any number of things. I have seen the results of wrong bullets for the wrong game. It is a moot point for me because hunting bullets the only ones legal for big game in my state and I have no reason to use match bullets for hunting deer. I also believe in respecting the game. I don't know what the laws are in your state, maybe you shoot puppy size deer I don't know. I am pretty sure that none of you are smarter that the major cartridge makers, but your opinion may vary.
 
I don't know, but both have more than a core loct;)
I actually found the Core-Lokt to be tougher than the gameking but but it was one application (30-06, 150gr)

I much prefer tougher than either though, I’m firmly in the bonded/partition/monolithic camp

@d2wing recognizing relationships and discrepancies between marketing and application isn’t a matter of trying to be smarter than a company trying to sell you something. I mean if one hunter uses a Nosler Ballistic Tip and one uses a Lapua Scenar, what is the discrepancy besides marketing?

I also admit, I wouldn’t have been the first to shoot a Scenar at an animal to see what it does. But people have, and the evidence is out there. And there are a number of match bullets that perform like hunting bullets as has been pointed out. And there are many types of hunting bullets that do wildly different things. Quite a bit of landscape between a Berger VLD and a Barnes TSX
 
I’m almost at the point where I think standard cup and core bullets are among the worst. If you want the performance that a cup and core is *supposed* to give, use bonded or a Partition. If you want better penetration for heavy game and raking angle insurance, use a mono or Partition or a good heavy bonded. If you want to make a mess, valuing huge wound channels and sacrificing penetration, shoot a Berger or Ballistic Tip or *proven* match bullet and go ahead and make the mess and don’t take angling shots. I’m not crazy about sacrificing penetration for huge wound channel on large game but I can’t argue with the success of Bergers for example. There are different camps for what we want in a hunting bullet and we will always have our preferences

If I’m not mistaken some match bullets like the A-Max act more like cup and core bullets. And again, many people think those are great
 
Quite a bit of landscape between a Berger VLD and a Barnes TSX

Exactly!
If all my shots were likely to be 100yds or less, from what I've read, the TSSX or CSX would be ideal. I haven't tested either yet, but I will.
My options are usually anything from 0 to 300yds, sometimes more.
I want a versatile bullet that performs well at the widest velocity range.
For me, so far this is the ELD-X.
Some bullets may perform better at one end or the other of the spectrum, but there is not one single bullet that is THE best at all ranges and velocities.
Know the abilities and limitations of your bullet, your gun, and YOU, and you probably won't be muffing any opportunities regardless what you use.
 
Why would one not just use a sgk? They are very accurate and I've never herd a complaint on performance. I shoot targets with them just fine.
 
Why would one not just use a sgk? They are very accurate and I've never herd a complaint on performance. I shoot targets with them just fine.

Why would we all not agree upon the very same model of bullet?

First of all, not all of a given model of bullet, such as SGK, will perform exactly the same from each caliber. Sometimes a bullet does well in one caliber and is iffy with performance in another caliber.

Second, not all hunters want the same sort of performance. People will stipulate given traits/behaviors that they want to see out of their bullets, and so choose bullets specific to their shooting wants. Some want bullets that are easy on the skin. Some want bullets that fragment inside and to LOTS of damage (and ruin a bunch of meat). Some want (widely) expanding bullets with high weight retention. Others want controlled expansion (often meaning limited expansion) with deep penetration. Some people just want a nice softpoint. Some want a bullet that fragments into a limited number of fragments to create multiple wound channels.

Third, not all hunters want to pay for premium hunting bullets. For some SGKs would be pricey bullets, despite being ask costly as some other brands/models. As the argument sometimes goes, "Why waste expensive ammo on cheap hogs/varmints?"

If you google "Sierra Game King failure" you will find numerous examples of people with complaints. Of course, you can find complaints for every make and model of bullet.

Fourth, is the SGK a short range, typical, or long range hunting bullet? A long range hunter may not find that the SGK opens up well enough at distance and so choose another type of bullet that is better for the job.
 
Why would we all not agree upon the very same model of bullet?

First of all, not all of a given model of bullet, such as SGK, will perform exactly the same from each caliber. Sometimes a bullet does well in one caliber and is iffy with performance in another caliber.

Second, not all hunters want the same sort of performance. People will stipulate given traits/behaviors that they want to see out of their bullets, and so choose bullets specific to their shooting wants. Some want bullets that are easy on the skin. Some want bullets that fragment inside and to LOTS of damage (and ruin a bunch of meat). Some want (widely) expanding bullets with high weight retention. Others want controlled expansion (often meaning limited expansion) with deep penetration. Some people just want a nice softpoint. Some want a bullet that fragments into a limited number of fragments to create multiple wound channels.

Third, not all hunters want to pay for premium hunting bullets. For some SGKs would be pricey bullets, despite being ask costly as some other brands/models. As the argument sometimes goes, "Why waste expensive ammo on cheap hogs/varmints?"

If you google "Sierra Game King failure" you will find numerous examples of people with complaints. Of course, you can find complaints for every make and model of bullet.

Fourth, is the SGK a short range, typical, or long range hunting bullet? A long range hunter may not find that the SGK opens up well enough at distance and so choose another type of bullet that is better for the job.
Well the question was using match bullets and my question was why not just use a game bullet with match accuracy. The cost of the sgk is the same or less than the smk, so in relation to the topic (hunting with match bullets) isn't a relivent point. If you want cheaper you would be shooting a Speer bullet as they are the cheapest I've found.
 
Well the question was using match bullets and my question was why not just use a game bullet with match accuracy. The cost of the sgk is the same or less than the smk, so in relation to the topic (hunting with match bullets) isn't a relivent point. If you want cheaper you would be shooting a Speer bullet as they are the cheapest I've found.

To add to that, Berger makes a whole line of hunting bullets that shoot very, very, well and get the kind of performance that some of the guys in this thread like about using TGT bullets.
 
To add to that, Berger makes a whole line of hunting bullets that shoot very, very, well and get the kind of performance that some of the guys in this thread like about using TGT bullets.
It's not that I don't think they work, a fmj kills plenty. It's that using something else without testing is lazy and unethical. Problem is that as with any statement there are exceptions and I'm positive a few like Varminterror have tested prior to. For dear hunting I refuse to believe expense is a real limitation based on volume. For varmiting pigs and the like it could be. If your on a trip with hotel and travel using the best bullet made in your opinion is the only answer.
 
It's not that I don't think they work, a fmj kills plenty. It's that using something else without testing is lazy and unethical. Problem is that as with any statement there are exceptions and I'm positive a few like Varminterror have tested prior to. For dear hunting I refuse to believe expense is a real limitation based on volume. For varmiting pigs and the like it could be. If your on a trip with hotel and travel using the best bullet made in your opinion is the only answer.

I also tend to prepare for the worst case presentation, so I want my through and through penetration, with controlled expansion. DRT, or not, for the most part isn't something I loose sleep over. That's one of the reasons I haven't gone with the Bergers. About as "explosive" as I want to go are Nosler BTs. I've put them into shoulders up close and ended up with quite a bit of dog food.

When I travel to hunt, it's premium bonded and usually I error on the safe side caliber wise. Letting a whitetail walk in my back yard is not the same thing when there's thousands $$$ involved.
 
Anyone every shoot A-Max? My bolt gun uses them. They are target match pills.
The reason I have several 1000 of them, is because of a friend who works in a coroner's office.
He showed me pics of a drug battle that just about everyone died in.
They were using .556 A-Max. The coroner told him to grab any where there was bone.
He did at several lace and told me it felt like an 60s bean bag ash tray that was full of sand.
Mine are 7.62, 178gr. Big bean bags
Keep them under 3100 and they should do fine.
The A-max perform about like a ballistic tip will.

Ive driven the 7mm 162s upto almost 3300, and IME 3000+/- is about as fast as I want them launching.
 
Well the question was using match bullets and my question was why not just use a game bullet with match accuracy. The cost of the sgk is the same or less than the smk, so in relation to the topic (hunting with match bullets) isn't a relivent point. If you want cheaper you would be shooting a Speer bullet as they are the cheapest I've found.
I stock only one or two bullets per caliber (two only if i have a small enough cartridge to require a different weight) given a chance, buying 1000+ is cheaper than buying small lots of other stuff, i also hate reloading so being able to turn out a few hundred rounds that can he used for hunting, plinking, and long range targets is a plus.

Tipped Match bullets give me exactly the performance I want, which is something thats been touched on before.
As stated everyone's criteria are different. My preference is dont shoot them in the eatie bits, and turn the insides to jello. Ive killed animals in the 1000lb range with 162 A-max bullets
 
Well the question was using match bullets and my question was why not just use a game bullet with match accuracy. The cost of the sgk is the same or less than the smk, so in relation to the topic (hunting with match bullets) isn't a relivent point. If you want cheaper you would be shooting a Speer bullet as they are the cheapest I've found.

You wanted to know why people would not use SGK and I told you. That was your question...
Why would one not just use a sgk?

However, my question to you is why use a game bullet when you can use a match bullet? For example, I know this sounds crazy, but let's say there is a global pandemic. People are dying, getting sick, missing work, and companies don't always have enough employees on hand to do a particular job and then the shortages start to hit and as crazy as it sounds, not only are people having trouble finding loaded ammo, but they are having trouble finding bullets and other components...and then Deer/Elk/whatever season is upon us and people want to hunt. Strangely, one of the types of bullets that seemed to be available or on hand on people's shelves after FMJs was match ammo.

As seen in this thread already, lots of people were already hunting with match ammo and it has done a good job for them. Why change if you have something that works and is legal where you are? If it is legal and it works well, then you can make your ethical kills. Then lots of people during the pandemic experimented out of necessity. Some where happy with the bullets they tried. Some were not. I went through the gambit of everything from FMJ, TUI, varmint rounds, match rounds, tipped versus untipped, hunting rounds of various flavors (expanding, fragmenting, controlled expansion, uncontrolled expansion, deep penetrating, segmented fragmentation) etc. etc. etc. on hogs. I documented everything on video so as to help people make decisions on what might work well for their needs or more importantly, what would not. I started such work long before the pandemic started. For hunting bullets, sometimes I found that a bullet performed as designed and sometimes I found that it didn't. When it didn't, sometimes it performed better and sometimes it performed worse. In some cases, I found that the manufacturer's design intent of hunting was not a good application for the given bullet, even though the bullet performed as advertised (TUI).

I think at last count, I have tried about 35 different bullets for the 6.5 Grendel and have seen what they will do, not in wet magazines, plywood, or ballistics gel, but in actual animal flesh. Most hunters don't have the time, opportunity, or inclination to go through all this.

So going back to your other question of why not just use a game bullet? Simple. Some of them suck, suck from your rifle, or just suck overall. Not all "hunting" bullets give the hunter the kind of performance s/he wants. Sometimes, the performance desired is what is provided by some match bullets. Sort of like hunting bulllets, not all match bullets are created equal either.

As I indicated above and will expand upon here, if you have no other insights at all and are in a store to buy ammo for a hunting, chances are that going with an unknown performance (to you) hunting bullet is likely going to be a better choice than an unknown performance match bullet, but there are lots of match bullets that hunters do really like to use and they like to use them because the work well. So why not use them if they work??? These hunters are not going to limit themselves to a given manufacturer's claimed use.
 
Core Lokts on a windy day:
I'm with you on this. For over 55 years I've been shooting Core-Lokt ammo on my 30-06 with great success every time. Never had to shoot groups with match ammo to find out if it is accurate. The venison on my plate lets me know it is, and further more one shot one kill every time. You have to know your limitations and respect them for the sake of the animal, they all deserve a humane kill.
 
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