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Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics, and Training' started by cheygriz, Oct 23, 2018.

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  1. Olon

    Olon Member

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    I think y'all are taking this way too seriously. If an intruder happened to see the laser and was scared off that would be a happy accident, and that seems like what the OP was going for. Could be wrong, but just a thought.
     
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  2. MedWheeler

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    ^^ I believe I made that point in post 4. I don't think I'm the only one. ;)
     
  3. Old Dog

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    For those of us who've actually done FoF with lasers ... one typically doesn't notice the little red dot on one's own torso ... one's eyes are elsewhere.

    Carry on.
     
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    What make you think that you will actually hit an intruder - irrespective of how your sights are set - based on your "blind" point of aim?
     
  5. Vern Humphrey

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    Re-read what you just wrote. If it DOESN'T work, what will the outcome be?

    Is it worthwhile to assume extra risk in an already highly risky situation?
     
  6. Wichaka

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    Sounds good in theory, but with the short time as these things go down...you're more than likely won't have much time to test it.
     
  7. Vern Humphrey

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    And if it fails, you won't have time to wonder what went wrong.
     
  8. cheygriz

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    To each his own, I guess.

    For me, pressing the trigger is the last option, not the first.
     
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  9. Vern Humphrey

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    Have you considered how much time will elapse between trying your first option and reaching your last?
     
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    It's like that for all thinking people. The problem is that, in a situation that's truly life-threatening, you likely won't have much/any time to dance around with alternate theories. If you have time to try a variety of options, it could well be that the situation isn't life-threatening yet...


    Larry
     
  11. entropy

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    Not something to bet your life on. It doesn't hurt to have it, I have one built into my S&W Bodyguard 38, and I have two rail-mount ones for my other pistols. But I'll side with most of the rest here; lighting up your target is a better idea. I have 4 flashlights on my night stand. I also owe my life to the fact my dad used a flashlight to identify me when I came in the house at 2 am, rocking out to Metallica on my Walkman. (that ages me!) I didn't hear him call my name, so I saw the barrel of the Python and a Mag-light in my face when he turned it on. I never wore the Walkman into the house again! :what:
     
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  12. MedWheeler

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    Probably the same outcome that would be if no laser were present.
     
  13. Olon

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    Unrelated to the thread but that's the best argument I've heard for trigger discipline and positive ID!
     
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  14. Vern Humphrey

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    That would be true ONLY if you had already decided to shoot as soon as you were on target.
     
  15. MedWheeler

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    ^^ Yes, that was pretty much my point earlier. The presentation of a weapon in a self-defense situation will likely be so sudden that the potential target will become aware of the weapon's presence at the same time as, or before, he becomes aware of the laser's presence. Whether he ceases his evil act, or continues on with it, will dictate the next move, but it's unlikely there will be time for the laser to be a deciding factor.
     
  16. cheygriz

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    About 1/5 of a second.
     
  17. Vern Humphrey

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    Just time for your enemy to get off a shot, right? :)
     
  18. cheygriz

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    Nope. If he can aim and get off a shot before I can press the trigger, I never had a chance anyway.
     
  19. Vern Humphrey

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    Let me get this straight -- HE does not already have a gun pointed at you?
     
  20. labnoti

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    This is the same malarky as the idea that racking a pump shotgun slide will be enough to scare them away. First of all, the premise is based on a fantasy scenario. Second, it's a bad false presumption. I heard another really lame one though - an argument against suppressors for home defense because the guy wanted to make as much noise as possible to scare intruders away. Again, a stupid fantasy scenario is going to result in bad false presumptions.

    What would be a truly effective use of lasers would be a laser designator targeting system. Paint the target with a laser, and you get automatic fire that follows. Otherwise it's just a light show and a waste of time.

    A jail deputy was showing me his FN 303 one time years ago and it had a green laser. He suggested it's been used to intimidate inmates in problem scenarios into compliance, but he said he never uses it since he got a dog. He says now he just gets the dog and nobody has ever continued to be non-compliant. The fact that they are unarmed no doubt has a big influence on that. But if the belligerents were armed, they have to be expected to respond to a dog or a laser with fire.
     
  21. Vern Humphrey

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    There you have it. In most fantasy scenarios, the dreamer never assumes his opponent will react violently.
     
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    So at the first incoming shot, you're done? It's all over? In the North Hollywood shootout, the perps fired over 1100 rounds and they were the only ones that died. Even if they hit you, numerous people have survived more than 10 hits from handguns.
     
  23. cheygriz

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    Apples to oranges. Big difference between a burglar in your house at night and a gun battle with para-military weaponry.
     
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    Just like they always run when they hear a shotgun rack.

    This and other self defense tips brought to you by the recently deceased.
     
  25. cheygriz

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    I have my value system. I will not shoot unless I have to to defend life. Just like I was taught at police academy and NRA police firearms instructor training.

    If you disagree, fine. That's your right. Bit I'm dropping out of this thread, because I won't argue with folks who are very obviously looking for a legal excuse to shoot someone.

    I guess it's possible my views of morality might get me killed someday. But if it does, I'll die with a clear conscience.
     
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