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Meeting at Elementary School.....kids/guns/frustration....

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by PCRCCW, Apr 2, 2003.

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  1. PCRCCW

    PCRCCW Member

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    I had a meeting with the school staff about one of my kids...nothing bad...just learning concerns....ADHD etc...

    During the meeting the staff, Principal, Counselor, Phsycologist, teachers etc...were discussing issues while we filled out paperwork...no big deal.

    AND THEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    The Principal says "Guns in schools....this has got to stop....there is no need for guns in schools......ever....this CCW cowboy crap has got to stop".....Im trying not to jump out of my skin..........

    The start a discussion...and before I know it....I ask her point blank "Would you disarm police when entering the school?"
    She says "No...Why?"......
    What is the difference between a CCW permit holder and Police officer when it comes to a person carrying a gun, their safety level and reasons to make them different?".....
    "Permit holders are the Good Guys whether you want to admit it or not!".........
    The whole staff is looking at me like.....OK , wheres your gun.....(It was at 4.00 Oclock :D )
    She looked confused at me...and said that we should get on with the meeting.....We agreed to disagree.........

    I hold my malice against people with twisted, stupid, opinionated, closed minded, shallow, misinformed views...normally anyway...but this was just plain and simple bias gleeming through.

    The staff was questioning the whole thing.....I could tell by their faces.....I got them thinking.....LOL

    I just wanted to pass on this.......therapy!

    Shoot well.....
     
  2. mini14jac

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    Way to go!
    At least you spoke up, and it sounds like you did it in a civil, non-threatening way.
    Kudos.

    I read a newspaper article titled "Imagine there were no guns.".
    It started by paraphrasing the John Lennon song.
    I saw the author's email address, and I sent her a line.
    I was really shocked when she answered me back.
    I had quoted the book "More guns, less crime" and some other statistics.
    Her first reply was rather sarcastic.
    I emailed here again.
    We exchanged about 5 emails that day.

    She ended up saying that she had horses that she loved, and the day before, a friend had been killed by his horse.
    She said she wouldn't want to lose her horse, because someone had been killed by one!

    Just keep sharing the facts, in a civil manner.
    The liberals haven't won yet.
     
  3. gwalchmai

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    PCRCCW, I believe there should be no restrictions whatsoever on carrying by CCW holders. We have submitted to an invasion of our privacy by the state and have been shown to be law abiding citizens. Restricting us implies that we are somehow likely to abuse our carry rights. I further feel that all LACs should be allowed to carry openly without any licensing by the state.

    I'm curious about your meeting. Did the principal just come out with this statement out of the blue or did something precipitate it? Have there been incidents in that school of students or staff carrying firearms?
     
  4. Admiral Thrawn

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    Great job!!! :D
     
  5. Greg L

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    How did the subject even come up? :confused:

    Greg
     
  6. TechBrute

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    Yeah, but isn't it annoying that these are the people "educating" your child?
     
  7. Betty

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    PCRCCW,
    You made people at a staff meeting think? How could you!:p

    It is amazing how quickly people change subjects when they start thinking. :scrutiny:
     
  8. Bonker

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    Thank God I live in Texas. My principal is a shooter too :)
     
  9. Don Gwinn

    Don Gwinn Moderator Emeritus

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    You were right, but be careful now. The teachers in that meeting may now consider you to be one of the "nutty" parents. Whether they admit it or not, all teachers have certain parents they consider fools or worse. It should not affect their treatment of the student, but sometimes it does.

    On the other hand, some in that meeting may have agreed with you. It all depends on how brave they are and how passionate the administration is.
     
  10. UnknownSailor

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    The latent paranoid in me would be more concerned that the school administration might take it upon themselves to report you to CPS, for abuse and/or neglect.
     
  11. gogetumnow

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    The teachers union here in Utah is hellbent on preventing CCW here in schools. (churches too). It's a pretty hot-button topic around here.

    Good job, you stood your ground! It really chaps my hide when these so called "open minded" liberals assume everybody shares their same views.
     
  12. shootist2121

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    PCRCCW....Correct me if I'm wrong..Please!...But were you not in violation of Federal Law by having a firearm on your person and on school grounds?

    I applaud your stance but you broke the law by being arm if I understand the law...I am believe CCW permit doesn't allow it unless you are LEO.

    So jump in everybody and clear up my understanding here please.

    :confused:
     
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    I saw nothing in PCR's post to indicate he was armed at the time. Did I miss something?
     
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    "The whole staff is looking at me like.....OK , wheres your gun.....(It was at 4.00 Oclock )"

    I assumed by that statement that he had his weapon on his right rear hip...Correct me if I miss understood.



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    I took that to mean the staff looked at him in an inquiring manner wondering whether he was packing. I assumed that the meeting was being held at 4 PM. Maybe you're right. ;)
     
  16. spacemanspiff

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    federal law does trump state law....

    so if the MEETING was at 4 oclock, how long did it take? were you outta there by 4:30?
     
  17. Leatherneck

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    Spiff: good catch! :D :D :D

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  18. Double Maduro

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    shootist2121,

    Actually the law varies from state to state. Here in Oregon it is legal to carry in public schools with your chl.
     
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    Thanks to all for clearing it up a clear as mud...LOL

    I believe spiff is still correct that Federal law beats local..
    But since I live here in the great state of Misery..Missouri we don't have the option yet...But we're tryin...Very trying..


    :p :p
     
  20. Double Maduro

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    Can you cite the federal law that applies?

    I grew up in Arnold, Misery and have spelled and pronounced it that way for many, many years. lol
     
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    for some funny reason, my boss wants me to work during business hours, so i cant search for the fed laws right now. maybe you could take a shortcut and call your district attorneys office?
    i learned of this federal law when i took the class for my CHL. my state laws allow a firearm only to be stored in a vehicle while on school grounds (except for LEO on official business), but federal law states that the firearm must be locked in a container in the vehicle while on school grounds. only LEO on official business can carry (open or concealed) while on school grounds.

    the only exceptions my state has on this law is that in rural areas a person may carry a firearm ACROSS school grounds with the express permission of the school and only if the person is engaged in an activity like hunting that obviously requires the use of a firearm.
     
  22. Correia

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    CCW in schools is legal in Utah. But it has been our Antis pet battle for the last couple years.
     
  23. PCRCCW

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    Its completely legal to carry in schools in UT......PERIOD!
    Just have a second...had to jump in and out.....Shoot well.
     
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    Sounds like an enlightened attitude. I wish it were that way in GA.
     
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    <rant mode>
    If you can, get your kids out of the public schools, especially while they are young and impressionable. Public schools are government mandated indoctrination centers that seek to inculcate children with socialism and statism. If you can't afford private school indepedantly, try getting your child a scholarship. Look into montessori schools, try home schooling. Anything but public schools. Especially for "young boy syndrome" aka ADHD.

    Or Don't.
    </rant mode>
     
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