Meeting at Elementary School.....kids/guns/frustration....

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Great job ! Some folks just can't figure out that places that don't allow C.C.W.'s are easier targets for terrorists and other scum of the world.
 
every guy I went to school with would have been diagnosed ADHD.

The school gets money for giving the kids the pills. If the school says your Child is ADHD take them to your own doctor for an evaluation.
 
Yeah - a lot of ADHD kids are actually just bored with the often slower teachers...

I was a precocious little SOB... Drove teachers nuts, since I'd generally read the entire texts during the first week of class (hated math tho...). I had a third grade teacher insist that I'd memorized stuff that was in one of the books, because I couldn't possibly be reading at that grade level... And she didn't understand why I was pretending to read books without pictures...

Got into a private school shortly after that.
 
there's no federal law saying no guns in schools. if there was, no states would publish laws saying you could or couldn't, and the brady campaign wouldn't be trying to get states to outlaw guns in schools.
 
i live on the assumption that connecticut has no laws concerning carrying in a school as long as you're licensed. as far as i have read them, and i believe i read them all, ct laws do not mention carrying in school at all. hence, no laws.

i do believe, however, that if a person of authority of any public building requests it, you must remove the firearm from the property

i always got my ccw with me and since nobody has ever noticed it, i havent been mentioning it to them.

my reasoning is the only best way to protect the firearm from being stolen is to keep it loaded and on my person when it's not in the safe.

leaving it in my vehicle, unloaded of course and locked in a box thats locked in the trunk is still unnacceptable to me because if a crook type takes my car the gun is sure to wind up in that person's posession in very little time.

or someone maybe even nastier down the way...

no, no, no,,,not good

the only place i do relequish it is at the casinos in ledyard as they are on soveriegn territory and do not allow them to be brought on their land. i do it out of respect for the people and their wishes.

the security peeps will very politely help you to their office where you lock your empty gun in a safe deposit while you keep the key, the ammo and a receipt. very gun friendly...at least the guys i dealt with.

they asked if i was leo and i replied i was "just an armed citizen" and that was all that was said on that subject.

they really liked my 332, too. i think they thought i was gonna pull out a big ol' cannon but i pull out this little peashooter instead. they was all checkin it out and stuff...lol

gotta go,

be safe!

:D
 
different topic...

adhd?? got one...12, girl,

hoo boy!!

an angel and a devil allllll wrapped up in one...

ive offered peeps here $ to take her...:what:

no bites:(

awww i'm just kiddin'

the meds help, most of the time.

we go to the doc and ask for prozac, valium, thorazine, lithium and the like,

of course, this is for us :neener:

:D
 
There is a federal law on guns on school property, part of which was overturned by the Supreme Court. If I remember correctly, possessing a valid state CCW is an exemption under the remaining federal law, so if state's allow it, it's OK. I would look into it more, but we have a state law against it here in Oklahoma, so the federal issue is moot.
 
My wife and I are unable to have children.

The day the doctors told us this we felt as though we were cursed. But the more stories like this I read the more I am convinced that my wife and I are truely blessed.

We're happy with our dogs thank you very much.
 
I'm a teacher and I've been proudly wearing my "Peace Through Superior Firepower" pin on my ID lanyard. The kids love it. :evil:
 
What is more rediculous is when I asked someone if they should disarm police and they say no; but if they were out of uniform and had a ccw, should they be disarmed... and she said... YES! She said that a cop (off-duty with a ccw) couldn't be trusted, but a cop (on-duty) could. And she further said the SAME cop that she would trust ON-DUTY she would not trust OFF-DUTY.

Err...

I get it now, the blue suit makes you immune to the evil powers of the gun, but without the blue suit, you are like the Green Lantern without the ring.. :rolleyes:
 
I'm not sure about this. For all of you guys who want people to be allowed to carry at schools, would you take responsibility for people who carry guns to school and have a ND? I'm sure that all of the High Roaders are responsible CCWers, but let's keep in mind that there are a small minority of people out there who are irresponsible with their weapons. As I said, would you take personal responsibility if someone has an AD? Do you guys have a plan for filtering out the idiots from the responsible ones? Unless you don't, I would feel safer knowing that guns are illegal inside of schools.
 
The staff was questioning the whole thing.....I could tell by their faces.....I got them thinking.....LOL
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How did you know they were thinking? Did you smell something burning? :D

And... don't let them give mind-altering drugs to your son for ADHD! I never had mind-altering drugs, and I think I came out just fine. (Where's my anti-mind-control colland...er... helmet at?) :p
 
For all of you guys who want people to be allowed to carry at schools, would you take responsibility for people who carry guns to school and have a ND?
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No! A thousand times no!
It is their responsiblity - in school or out of school.
I'm sure that all of the High Roaders are responsible CCWers, but let's keep in mind that there are a small minority of people out there who are irresponsible with their weapons.
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They will be responsible or irresponsible with their weapon whether there is a law restricting where they carry.
As I said, would you take personal responsibility if someone has an AD?
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As I said, absolutely not. Just as I will not take personal responsibility if you have an AD while on a firing range. There is no reason for me to. Actions are the responsibility of the actor.
Do you guys have a plan for filtering out the idiots from the responsible ones? Unless you don't, I would feel safer knowing that guns are illegal inside of schools.
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Where am I again? THR or MichaelMoore.com?
There is no plan for filtering idiots from CCW out of schools either. Or drivers.
I do not support legislation so you feel comfortable. Feh.
 
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Not all teachers are like this! I teach with liberals AND conservatives. The teaching profession is like many other professions; all walks of life are within. The problem is that the conservative teachers don't say anything. They just do their job and go home.

If you can, get your kids out of the public schools, especially while they are young and impressionable. Public schools are government mandated indoctrination centers that seek to inculcate children with socialism and statism. If you can't afford private school indepedantly, try getting your child a scholarship. Look into montessori schools, try home schooling. Anything but public schools. Especially for "young boy syndrome" aka ADHD.
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Okay, some points...

1st, private schools are far more restrictive than one would believe. Try concealed carry at a Catholic school.
2nd, You can't paint all schools with this "liberal socialist dogma" paintbrush, it just doesn't work. One of the most liberal teachers at my union (vegetarian, hippie-esque, democratic-to-the-bone) admitted in public that he would prefer me to carry over some of the LEOs we have in our little hamlet. He thought I would be far more responsible for my actions. He actually thinks before he speaks (which makes him kinda rare for liberals, I admit).
2nd continued, to say that all teachers and principals are progressive edcuators is like saying that all teachers use the Socratic method. We know about it, but not all of us use that particular methodology.
3rd, Montesorri schools? You wanna talk about liberalism? "Every child is a flower in search of their own time to blossom." Does that sound like a hard-core education to you? Has it ever occured to you that many people teach in private institutions that can't get jobs in public school? Many charter schools don't even require a teaching credential as a requisite for employment (which, I admit, doesn't always make or break the teacher).
4th, ADD and ADHD are entirely overdiagnosed and over-prescribed in our country. But at all levels of schooling, not just public schools. Ritalin is the devil's brew, if you ask me. Many of these kids (mis)diagnosed with one of these disorders has a parent (usually the parents are divorced, so a parent) that is as nutty as a fruitcake. They don't wish to take responsibility for their child's behavior [as a real parent would], so they drug their kids up, causing arrested development and stunted growth (due to the growth plate retardation).

I am SICK and TIRED of teachers getting nailed for all of society's ills! It ain't (entirely) our fault folks. We're accountable to our superiors. The kids and counsellors and principals and communities are all responsible for these children and their failures. But guess who isn't? The parents, that's who. They can do darned near whatever they want.

We have to register new guns, we need a license to drive, hunt, fish, or get married. But any sperm donor/receptacle can breed. Why don't we license them? I just became a new parent 5 weeks ago. I wouldn't mind answering a few questions to determine suitability.

I have tried since I entered the teaching profession to deliver as balanced and authoritative an education as possible to all of my students. I educate the parents, my superiors, and the community whenever applicable. I'm not alone. Thousands of teachers are exactly the same way. You just don't hear about them. You hear about the fruity "we hate war" beatniks that cling tenaciously to the collective consciousness' juggular. They fawn and preen in front of the media cameras because they seek some strange affirmation for their sacrifice of a real money-making job to educate the future of America. I cannot stand these people. I work with them, but I will try my hardest to never work for them.

If the public school system in your part of the world is reprehensible, then vote the school board officials in that will address your agenda. Only by controlling the top (superintendents are hired/fired by the school board) can you effectively control the base.

Here endeth the lesson.:)
 
Yohan: simple answer, no. people need to be responsible for their own actions. who is responsible if someone walks into a grocery school and has a AD/ND with his carry piece? the person who had the discharge. who is responsible for a guy who walks into a school with a concealed handgun and kills eight kids with shots to the head? I'll give you a hint ... it's the guy who pulled the trigger.

therefore, who's responsible for a CCW holder who has an AD/ND on school grounds? the CCW holder who had the discharge is responsible.

personal responsibility, people. that's the key. hold people personally responsible for their actions, and a lot of blissninny legislation becomes utterly useless. remove that personal responsibility, and those laws start to make some sense. "what, I'm responsible for my own actions? they never taught me that in highschool!"
 
First of all, my mom teaches at a public elementary school and is, as well as many of the teachers, are pretty open minded and will listen to reason. She even listens and doesn't argue when i start talking about how I think CHL's should be able to carry ins chool...

As far as carrying in schools, what is the difference between that and carrying in, say, a mall? there are still a bunch of children around, what is the difference between a ND in school or in a mall? what about at Chuck E. Cheese? Should we not be able to carry in these places either? Just a thought...
 
Do you guys have a plan for filtering out the idiots from the responsible ones? Unless you don't, I would feel safer knowing that guns are illegal inside of schools.
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If I recall, CCWs have never been handed out in Cracker Jack boxes ... there is already a process for "filtering out the idiots from the responsible ones". However in Vermont there is no need for a license for CCW and I haven't seen law abiding adults shooting up the place there.

Using your logic there should be no CCW allowed ANYWHERE ... why would an idiot be more likely to screw up at a school then a Mall or park or other place where there are children?

I for one don't feel safer ANYWHERE guns are illegal ... the term we like to use for those kinds of places are Victim Disarmament Zones.



I'm not one to buy into conspiracy theories, but I gotta wonder who put this notion in people's heads that the average person is an idiot who cannot be trusted. :(
 
Here in Arkansas you are not allowed to carry in school or churches. I just wonder if the Westside shooting would have turned ou tany different if the had been someone packing heat. I think I could live with myself if a had to shoot an adult to protect me or my family, but a kid, that's a different story. I never understood the reasoning behind no school or church carry, some of the other rules I can see. Some of the recent major shootings that come to mind were in schools and churches. I'm not a school teacher, but I am a college student and I've wonder more than one time what would happen if some student got an "f" and decided to take it out on the teacher and the class. I don't think the campus police would be able to do much good. I would image the guy going postal would run out of ammo befor the police ever knew what happened. If I knew the majic words to get these to regulations changed I'd sure say them.
 
I think I could live with myself if a had to shoot an adult to protect me or my family, but a kid, that's a different story.
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That is something we should all think about a little. It applies everywhere, not just in schools. You're in a mall when an adult (you assume) starts shooting the place up. Given the opportunity to do it safely, I'd guess most CCW's would attempt to kill or incapacitate the person. You sight in on the shooter, start to squeeze the trigger when the shooter turns around and you see it is a 9 or 10 year old boy. Do you fire? Do you wait until he has killed X number of people before firing? Would it cause you to rethink your use of deadly force? If so, why would it have been ok to use deadly force on an adult but not a kid? Do you think the woman behind the counter who can hear the bullets whizzing by cares whether the shooter is an adult or child? Are the bullets leaving the gun any less deadly because they are being fired by a child?

These aren't questions I necessarily expect to see answered, but it is something to think about. I don't condone shooting children, I would hate to have to shoot anybody, especially a child, but thinking about how you would react and preparing yourself would definitly be beneficial if the situation ever arose
 
The Gun-Free Schools Act of 1990 was overturned by the Supreme Court (U.S. vs. Lopez) on Tenth Amendment grounds.

This is considered by legal scholars to be a landmark case, as it finally puts some limits on the federal governments use of the interstate commerce clause to regulate everything and anything.

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/93-1260.ZS.html

SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES

Syllabus



UNITED STATES v. LOPEZ

certiorari to the united states court of appeals for the fifth circuit

No. 93-1260. Argued November 8, 1994 -- Decided April 26, 1995


After respondent, then a 12th grade student, carried a concealed handgun into his high school, he was charged with violating the Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990, which forbids "any individual knowingly to possess a firearm at a place that [he] knows . . . is a school zone," 18 U.S.C. § 922(q)(1)(A). The District Court denied his motion to dismiss the indictment, concluding that §922(q) is a constitutional exercise of Congress' power to regulate activities in and affecting commerce. In reversing, the Court of Appeals held that, in light of what it characterized as insufficient congressional findings and legislative history, §922(q) is invalid as beyond Congress' power under the Commerce Clause.

Held: The Act exceeds Congress' Commerce Clause authority. First, although this Court has upheld a wide variety of congressional Acts regulating intrastate economic activity that substantially affected interstate commerce, the possession of a gun in a local school zone is in no sense an economic activity that might, through repetition elsewhere, have such a substantial effect on interstate commerce. Section 922(q) is a criminal statute that by its terms has nothing to do with "commerce" or any sort of economic enterprise, however broadly those terms are defined. Nor is it an essential part of a larger regulation of economic activity, in which the regulatory scheme could be undercut unless the intrastate activity were regulated. It cannot, therefore, be sustained under the Court's cases upholding regulations of activities that arise out of or are connected with a commercial transaction, which viewed in the aggregate, substantially affects interstate commerce. Second, §922(q) contains no jurisdictional element which would ensure, through case by case inquiry, that the firearms possession in question has the requisite nexus with interstate commerce. Respondent was a local student at a local school; there is no indication that he had recently moved in interstate commerce, and there is no requirement that his possession of the firearm have any concrete tie to interstate commerce. To uphold the Government's contention that §922(q) is justified because firearms possession in a local school zone does indeed substantially affect interstate commerce would require this Court to pile inference upon inference in a manner that would bid fair to convert congressional Commerce Clause authority to a general police power of the sort held only by the States. Pp. 2-19.

2 F. 3d 1342, affirmed.

Rehnquist, C. J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which O'Connor, Scalia, Kennedy, and Thomas, JJ., joined. Kennedy, J., filed a concurring opinion, in which O'Connor, J., joined. Thomas, J., filed a concurring opinion. Stevens, J., and Souter, J., filed dissenting opinions. Breyer, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which Stevens, Souter, and Ginsburg, JJ., joined.

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Also good reading, but too long to copy here:

http://www.ncpa.org/~ncpa/oped/dupont/10am.html
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:) Yesterday, several of my college students found my web sites, went straight to the Human Right pages, then to THR. Got to field questions on what I think of FN P90, Remington 700PSS and Taurus vs. Colt revolvers...one said "I didn't have you pegged as a gun owner" (reply: "I am an American, aren't I?" -- that got a few nods around the room).
 
I think I could live with myself if a had to shoot an adult to protect me or my family, but a kid, that's a different story.
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Two separate thought processes here. First one--to shoot or not--should be made strictly on tactical and self-defense grounds. Second one--can I live with what I did?--would be agonizing no doubt, but if the first one was correct, then get over it. Soldiers these days--and police as well--go through this. You simply cannot apply an age filter to a tactical decision. :mad:

TC
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