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Merry Christmas to me! H&K P7 PSP from CDNN

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by jon_in_wv, Dec 14, 2008.

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  1. jon_in_wv

    jon_in_wv Member

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    Well I picked up my new (to me) HK P7 PSP from CDNN on Thursday. Saturday morning I finally had a chance to get to the range and do some shooting with it. My normal carry gun is my M&P 9c but I have always wanted a P7. I am very, very pleased with my P7 from CDNN. I ordered the "excellent to like new" P7 with the plum colored slide. It is definitely "like new". From the wear on the feed ramp, internals, and mag well I would be very surprised if it was ever more than just test fired. It is flawless. I was also very happy with my first range session with it. I brought along my M&P for comparison. The P7 is supposed to have very low recoil and muzzle flip and while it is a very smooth shooter I wouldn't say that it had less than my M&P. The trigger pull was very good and the P7 is very, very accurate. I have been doing drills with my M&P for months to improve my shooting and I easily outshot my M&P with the P7. (Thats actually a bit frustrating) Here is a breakdown of my impressions of the P7 so far.

    Pros:
    Nice trigger pull, very accurate, and a low bore axis so recoil is very manageable. The squeeze coking mechanism is really cool. It is hard enough to press to keep from doing it inadvertently but not so hard to negatively effect shooting. The P7 is very safe to handle and shoot. I have short fingers and the mag catch and slide release can be an issue with most weapons. I never had to change my grip on my shooting hand on the P7. Reloading is very fast and there seems to be fewer motions involved even with the heel mag release. The P7 is also very slim, much slimmer than my M&P. It has a much smaller profile in the holster then my M&P has also. The M&P is slightly shorter in the grip with the shorter magazine in place but the P7 gives you a full grip and a very high one at that.

    Cons.
    The P7 is small but a bit heavy BUT the difference in loaded weight between my P7 and M&P feels very small. The biggest con for me is that mags are selling at 50 bucks each. That truly sucks. It is going to cost me another 100 bucks for mags, 60 bucks for a holster from Peters Custom Holsters, and another 100 bucks for night sights. That kind of adds up on the total cost of the weapon but I would still say it was worth it. Lastly the slide lock to lock the slide back manually is a joke. It is very hard to operate compared to most. I don't see how that would effect it as a carry gun however.

    Here are some pics comparing the M&P 9C and the P7. Note that in the pic from the top the P7 looks longer. This is an optical illusion from how they were sitting. They are actually the same length.
     

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  2. jon_in_wv

    jon_in_wv Member

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    I posted a video of my first we shots. It was cold, my hands were cold, and my feet were cold. I wasn't shooting up to par. I only shot about 50 rounds with the P7 but it functioned 100%.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mz_nKEBGog
     
  3. usp9

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    Congratulations, a nice looking P7 indeed.

    The recoil can be effected by two factors, the ammo used (naturally), and the cleanliness of the gas system, the tube in particular.
     
  4. jon_in_wv

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    I'm comparing the recoil to the pistols I have shot and the M&P I fired back to back with it. The ammo used was WWB 115gr FMJ and Federal HST 124gr. The cleanliness of the gas pistol should be a non-issue as I doubt more than a magazine full has ever been fired through this weapon before now. I gave it an initial cleaning, light oil, and inspection before I headed to the range so it was cleaned an lubed before shooting. The M&P with its polymer frame and wide comfortable grip has little recoil and muzzle flip also. I would say the P7 was better than average in those regards but not as much so as I had expected. I'll have to see how it feels in a more extended shooting session when I get some magazines for it.
     
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    P7's are great. Nice write up. Save your money on the night sites. That will reduce your total cost. Mags are expensive, but remember you got a great deal on the P7. P7M8's are selling for $1,200 - $1,400.
     
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    Nice. I always wanted one. Didn't realize that CDNN had some in again. Where are they from? How much $$$$?
     
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    They range from 589 for the "good to excellent", 599 for the plum slide like mine, and up to 679 for the two tone.

    Pilot, I know what your saying but if the P7 gets promoted to carry gun I really like night sights. My M&P wears Ameriglo night sights and it make a lot of difference finding the sights in low light and 99% of the time when I'm carrying it is at night. It will be worth the extra cash to me. Granted it is last on the list after extra mags and a holster though and I'll carry it without the night sights if I truly do shoot better with it than with my M&P.
     
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    The HK P7 PSP's are a good value. MAny people say once you shoot one you will never want to shoot anything else. Enjoy
     
  9. PX15

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    jon:

    Congratulations on your new P7.

    I bought my CDNN P7 earlier in the year, and was so pleased I bought two more. The P7 is without a doubt the most accurate 9mm pistol I've ever owned, or fired... Gotta love that.

    As to the price of the mags? I don't think $50.00 is that big of a deal. Take a moment to examine the HK P7 mags and you will find out they are extremely well built, and of top quality materials. Considering how unique and desirable the HK P7 is I didn't give a 2nd thought to the price of the extra mags, I was more worried about the declining supply of extra mags.

    Each of my CDNN P7's came with one mag, I bought a total of 6 extra so I have three for each P7. I don't anticipate ever needing any more, and if I ever (or my heir's) sell the P7's they can always sell the extra mags separately if the buyer doesn't want them..

    The six extra mags I bought from CDNN were "used" but I like them because they are date coded which shows they were original production from the same period as the pistols (in my case 1980-81) and I like that. Add the original cardboard boxes to the "A" grade pistols, three original mags for each and when I die my Son (the computer expert) can sell them all for a used video game... :barf:

    Mags for my 3rd gen Smiths run $30 or so, my Bersa was $40+, my Walthers were $30 and even my Seecamps are $35.. So IMO $50 for a top quality, factory, mag for the HK P7 is not a bad deal.

    I think the addition of a HK P7 to any firearm lovers little arsenal is a plus. Whether you cc it, or just plink with it, it's a desirable firearm.

    Best Wishes,

    Jesse

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    I've got it bad:
    3 P7s
    2 P7M8s
    1 P7M13

    Yea, I kinda like that amazing piece of German engineering. I'm almost glad they heat up at the range otherwise I'd go broke on ammo.

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    Honest words by a true cultist. :D
     
  12. jon_in_wv

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    I listed the price of the mags as a downside but thats only because they can be had cheaper for other weapons. Even a high quality mag for a 1911 can be had for 20 bucks. So that has to fall in the CONS column. You may have noticed also the CONS side of the house was pretty brief. I really liked the P7. I've often said that I can't imagine how good a gun would have to be to replace my M&P on my hip. The P7 is good enough that after one short range session I'm seriously considering it for the job. I need the mags and holster to do some shooting and make a final decision but I think the M&P is going to get demoted to the second string. Poor thing.
     
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    Y'all are evil. Eeeeevil.
     
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    Congrats on the P7PSP! Great looking pistol you have there. The finish on yours looks almost like new, mine has a few scratches and minor holster wear here and there. Yep, they are little heavy as a carry weapon, but no worse than a Sig or 1911. I carry mine in a BladeTech Kydex IWB holster. The HK P7 series of guns are very nice to carry and shoot. I bought three extra mags (mine came with one as well) on Gunbroker months ago for about $150 plus shipping, which is right on par with the $50 a mag you are finding. I'm glad I bought them though (no regrets). I have been toying with the idea on getting some night sights (some Trijicons) for mine as well (I'm still on the fence if I really need to or not, though I do have night sights on all my other carry pistols). I have a S&W M&P compact in .40S&W, instead of your 9mm and you are right, they are both great carry guns. Mine is dated 9/83 on the slide, what date does your P7PSP show? Here are a few pics of my P7PSP next to my Sig P239 DAK 9mm and my CZ P-01, which I enjoy carrying as well.


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    Mine is marked 10/85. The grip screws were the only flaws on the whole weapon. The bluing was a little bare on the screws but the rest of the weapon looked brand new. No holster wear or scratches at all. The front of you P01 looks HUGE compared to the P7. The loaded weight of my P7 doesn't seem much more than my M&P 9C with 12 rounds in it. It is a lot slimmer though and I think it will ride very nicely in a good holster.

    From what I've read about night sights on the P7 is that HK used something like 6 different front sight heights and the chances of getting the correct one with aftermarket night sights is a crap shoot. It seems having the lamps installed in your existing sights or a set of adjustable night lights like the ones from MMC is the hot ticket.

    Px15, You really have too many mags. I feel bad for you. PM me and I'll give my address so you can send some to me. Its no problem really.
     
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    I had a P7 for a while, and didn't like it.
     
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    It's an acquired taste, but once you've taken that big bite, shooting just "regular" pistols isn't quite the same anymore.
     
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    I was convinced after the first mag. The last mag really hit me when I fired 5 rounds from my M&P and then 5 rounds from my P7 and the group was half the size with the P7. Like it or not if its reliable and I shoot better with it, it is going to get the nod for CCW.
     
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    I don't want to prejudice you, but its going to be harder than you think to CCW a P7.
     
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    Really? Its about the same weight as my M&P yet it has a much smaller profile in the waistband. It is slimmer and the mags are slimmer. What exactly is going to make it more difficult to CCW? I"ve carried my Makarov which has a very similar weight and profile. It caused no problems.
     
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    Its has a short barrel/forend, so not a lot for a holster to hold on to, and a big bulky grip that pulls the gun down and back. It balances poorly in a holster.
     
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    That is not my experience. A properly made holster carries the P7 just as well as any other pistol. I use one made by KD Holsters, and the gun is balanced just fine, thank you.

    Lone_Gunman, are you talking about a particular holster you've used?
     
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    If it works for you, then no problem.

    There are several models of holsters that Milt Sparks will not make for the reason I have outlined above. If you don't believe me, call them and ask.
     
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    Meh, you should've bought a .45

    9mm only stuns people a little.
     
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    I think it will be fine. I've tried it in my M&Ps holster and even though it doesn't fit right it still felt fine.
     
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