roninrlm
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Has anyone seen or knows where I can buy one of the New Reproductions of the Merwin & Hulbert pistol.
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AFAIK they never actually got around to making them. They have a website up here:
http://www.merwinhulbertco.com/index.php
But have never produced anything. Can't buy what isn't made.
http://www.merwinhulbertco.com/index.php
But have never produced anything. Can't buy what isn't made.
No word on them at SHOT that I heard, however in their forum they show a prototype on a workbench.
CraigC
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Agreed, lots of promises, missed shipping dates and wishful thinking but not much in the flesh. I mean really, no working prototype in all this time???
CraigC
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They say they'll honor the $1200 deal for those who made the $250 deposit. Some even say they prepaid in full. It was silly to think those guns could be produced for that amount. If it ever comes to fruition, they'll have to be at least $2000 or they won't be worth having. Still, those who have money invested get extremely defensive if you suggest that maybe not all is right at the new M&H. I reckon I would be too but am glad I'm not one of them. At least they finally stopped taking deposits.
That said, I hope I'm wrong, that they do reach production and they sell a boatload of them.
That said, I hope I'm wrong, that they do reach production and they sell a boatload of them.
Dnaltrop
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Nice start looking at the frame and cylinder they have on that website.
Won't hold my breath, but best of luck to those who've made deposits, and hopefully your patience is rewarded.
Obviously we expect range reports from any lucky devils who acquire one.
Won't hold my breath, but best of luck to those who've made deposits, and hopefully your patience is rewarded.
Obviously we expect range reports from any lucky devils who acquire one.
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I am a happy owner of an original nickled 7" barreled, 3rd model .44 WCF Pocket Army Merwin, Hubert & Co. made revolver, and can say it is an impressive revolver. It is amazing as to how these work, I mean the tolerances, the way parts fit and come together, are something to be seen. Remember these revolvers were made from 1876-1892 with no modern CNC machinery to boot. IMO I doubt they could sell them for under $2,000 per copy and still make money in todays market. LM
CraigC
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That's the catch, they are not a simple design like the SAA. Even with CNC machinery they will still need a lot of hand-fitting and that costs money. There just aren't many shooters out there willing to pay $2000 or more for a M&H replica. Most folks balk at paying half that for a premium grade USFA SAA.
mainmech48
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: This whole shebang smells way too much like the old "Bren 10" mess and will almost certainly end up the same way.
The folks who plunked down their cash, either for a deposit or the full price, will probably wind up with pennies on the dollar in return at best. More likely: 'bupkis', as "unsecured creditors" are last in line when the company eventually goes under.
IMHO, it's glaringly obvious that an outfit which still has neither the capital assets nor manufacturing resources to produce even a single, complete and working prototype after more than three years of hype is, barring a "loaves and fishes" order of Miracle, highly unlikely to ever deliver a finished product.
Cynical of me, but if it walks like a duck......
The folks who plunked down their cash, either for a deposit or the full price, will probably wind up with pennies on the dollar in return at best. More likely: 'bupkis', as "unsecured creditors" are last in line when the company eventually goes under.
IMHO, it's glaringly obvious that an outfit which still has neither the capital assets nor manufacturing resources to produce even a single, complete and working prototype after more than three years of hype is, barring a "loaves and fishes" order of Miracle, highly unlikely to ever deliver a finished product.
Cynical of me, but if it walks like a duck......
CraigC
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To me, this is the most glaring point to be made. Seriously, all this time and not one completed, working prototype??? Please.
Driftwood Johnson
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It never ceases to amaze me how folks think CNC is the end all and be all of perfection. Tolerances still have to be observed and material properties still have to be allowed for. CNC does not make tolerance stack up go away. Hand finishing parts is still a viable way to make up for tolerance stack up. You just have to be willing to pay for the hand finishing.
As far as the Chinese are concerned, Coyote Cap had to make many trips to China before they finally got the bugs out of making reproductions of the Winchester Model 1897. It did not happen overnight.
Same thing with J. M. Browning. He used to spend months at a time in Belgium helping them get his guns into production.
I am not holding my breath waiting to see the Merwin Hulberts reach production.
It never ceases to amaze me how folks think CNC is the end all and be all of perfection. Tolerances still have to be observed and material properties still have to be allowed for. CNC does not make tolerance stack up go away. Hand finishing parts is still a viable way to make up for tolerance stack up. You just have to be willing to pay for the hand finishing.
As far as the Chinese are concerned, Coyote Cap had to make many trips to China before they finally got the bugs out of making reproductions of the Winchester Model 1897. It did not happen overnight.
Same thing with J. M. Browning. He used to spend months at a time in Belgium helping them get his guns into production.
I am not holding my breath waiting to see the Merwin Hulberts reach production.
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From the way folks talk, all you have to do with CNC is toss the original in the chute and thousands of copies come out the other end. Don't even have to take the original apart. As an old machinist, I am skeptical, but who knows what computers and cell phones can do these days?
Jim
P.S. I also suspect that if/when M&H copies are made and folks find out the way they REALLY work, the market will go to zero pretty quick.
JK (owner of several M&H revolvers, original)
Jim
P.S. I also suspect that if/when M&H copies are made and folks find out the way they REALLY work, the market will go to zero pretty quick.
JK (owner of several M&H revolvers, original)
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