Message from the president of CCI/federal.

[BCR#1]

If only Sweden needed primers. I would gladly trade a few cases of primers for one of their little blonde munchkins!

Bill

 

[KY DAN]

I believe a bald headed boomer.........

Congress, Senate, president, elected representatives I believe them all.


This guy is a corporate shill who is giving lip service to the complaint department.

This guy is in on the problem as much as anyone could be. He controls the rate of production.

Think back to ww2 and see how much ammo and weapons were were produced in the span of 4-5years. All they had was human and mechanical cam operated machines that could not hit the rounds per hour of a modern camdex loading machine currently offered to the marketplace.

The ammo factories have process designed and built machinery ran by the latest ai technology and they can't hit the millions qty mark..... yeah right

 

[KY DAN]

Maybe I'm wrong. but wouldn't the ammo manufacturers be getting the bulk of the primers ?

You see see the big picture!

Your post is the most accurate post in this thread this far.

 

[FFGColorado]

I believe a bald headed boomer.........
This guy is a corporate shill who is giving lip service to the complaint department.

This guy is in on the problem as much as anyone could be. He controls the rate of production.

Think back to ww2 and see how much ammo and weapons were were produced in the span of 4-5years. All they had was human and mechanical cam operated machines that could not hit the rounds per hour of a modern camdex loading machine currently offered to the marketplace.

The ammo factories have process designed and built machinery ran by the latest ai technology and they can't hit the millions qty mark..... yeah right

Since they seem to be operating 24/7 and sell everything they make, quickly...not sure why some comments by this guy strikes such a nerve.

WW2 was a 'little' different than needing 9mm or 223 so you can go to the range today. I think he realizes long term 'fixes'(new factory) for short term problems doesn't make financial sense. Unlike ammo makers during WW2, which were essentially part of the US government, these guys are there to make a profit and stay in biz.

 

[Oldschool shooter]

I accept what he says about them producing ammunition non stop, etc.
My question is is the same as it has been...why are there no components available? All the gun shops in the area say they can't get any primers from their suppliers. They also say they can't get ammunition from their suppliers.

So...where is all this ammuntion going???

I may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but it stands to reason that if the demand for ammunition is as high as it is, components that would otherwise be sold for reloading purposes are being used to make the factory ammunition. I reload as well, and would love to see these components hit the shelves, but to me it just makes sense for the factories to use those components to help meet the demand for factory ammo.

 

[KY DAN]

Since they seem to be operating 24/7 and sell everything they make, quickly...not sure why some comments by this guy strikes such a nerve.

WW2 was a 'little' different than needing 9mm or 223 so you can go to the range today. I think he realizes long term 'fixes'(new factory) for short term problems doesn't make financial sense. Unlike ammo makers during WW2, which were essentially part of the US government, these guys are there to make a profit and stay in biz.

It is two calibers(9mm and223) for the sake of the conversion that can't seem to be found anywhere in the 50 states. If it's being bought that is fine that would mean it's on the shelves of stores in different areas, yet no one can find it.

If it can't be found it can't be bought, so what does that mean?

Pretty sus

 

[FFGColorado]

It is two calibers(9mm and223) for the sake of the conversion that can't seem to be found anywhere in the 50 states. If it's being bought that is fine that would mean it's on the shelves of stores in different areas, yet no one can find it.

If it can't be found it can't be bought, so what does that mean?

Pretty sus

9mm and 223 is very available but not on store shelves(altho in the last 2 weeks my son has found 9mm, 22lr, 223 and 38 special at Jax, Sportsman Warehouse and Cabelas..anecdotal). Not sure if that's a trend.
My question is why some online places seem to get preference in terms of getting ammo. Particularly compared to those local places that are HUGE(Cabelas). Maybe in terms of % of stuff bought, ammo is a relatively small percentage for Cabelas or SW, whereas some of these online outfits are ammo only. I donno.
BUT
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/9mm
https://www.wikiarms.com/group/223

I wonder if these online places are essentially 'bribing' manufacturers, as in, paying more, to get product..and maybe why 9mm is twice the $ online than it is from SportsmanWarehouse. BUT, most ammo not hard to find, just expensive.

 

[Trashyshoots]

In these ammo shortages I'm always curious why dudes who work at the big factories dont post on forums. I've never seen an insider or even a dude that works on the line post anything about it.

Do you think maybe they have a confidentiality clause in their hiring packets?

 

[rust collector]

In these ammo shortages I'm always curious why dudes who work at the big factories dont post on forums. I've never seen an insider or even a dude that works on the line post anything about it.

Do you think maybe they have a confidentiality clause in their hiring packets?

While I would think a nondisclosure agreement would be standard, we also know human nature enough to realize it would be tough to enforce. Pretty sure we would hear if producers weren't going full bore.

My LGS told me that mfrs noted well in advance that they were raising prices 4-8 percent with the new year (2020) and that is still all they are charging (2021 prices are likely up slightly). The producers know it would be bad business to bypass their good steady customers for short term gain. The big prices are from third parties who profit from panic and fear.

 

[Zahn]

There is ammo out there, available for sale. This is a local Academy Sports on Friday. Remington Range 9mm, 50 rounds for $14.99 per box. Limit 3 boxes per shopper.

It was being purchased about as fast as they were putting it on the shelf. I doubt there was any on the shelf by the end of the day.

Edited the brand name.

 

[Zahn]

There was bulk Winchester .223 the week before at this same store, on a Tuesday. 150 rounds for ~$80 a box.

Both these shipments came in during the week. If you go to this store only on the weekend, you will never see ammo. You might think to yourself, "man! There is never ammo anywhere!"

 

[Cowhide Cliff]

Not just the new shooters it's caused a lot by people hoarding. If everyone just bought what they would have normally bought I doubt there would be a shortage.

 

[Zahn]

Hoarding is very much part of the problem. For example, I don't own a .223 rifle. I didn't buy any of the bulk .223 when I saw it. Everyone that I know that owns an AR15 already has an ammo fort. But guess what - I have been kicking myself for not buying any "just in case." If there wasn't this huge shortage that thought wouldn't occur to me.

 

[Steve S.]

He is in the ammo business but he is a business man first and foremost. He is probably also in the ammo shortage business - much more profit to be had. I think that he is both and the truth is somewhere in the middle. He produces ammo and he watches the market and his P/L - he is smarter than he looks - never let a good crisis go to waste (especially when extra profits are to be made) - when these business opportunities are handed to you on a silver platter well, it’s business.

 

[LNK]

I for one am encouraged by these shortages. Think of all the new guns and new shooters we will have in our ranks the next time someone wants to ban firearms. There are many that will sell cheap once the panic is over, another boon to collectors and shooters. Increased production will continue until there is another glut. Everyone's shelves ought to be full by then. I can't wait to fill another decade of shooting on the cheap.

This is all a positive, not a negative.

 

[HB]

What any person in power says has to be taken with a grain of salt. What does the person controlling him want us to think?

I’m sure Federal is producing all they can but if there’s silly stuff going on by billionaire antis, we probably will never know specifics.

What would I do if I was a billionaire that wanted to keep average people from stocking up on ammo? I would buy up specific components to cause bottle necks. Then pay and threaten specific people in high places to divert attention with more lies. Play the hurt feelings card to inspire a response to defend said person. Maybe shame the average, greedy shooter for buying so much ammo.

After seeing this video, I’m more sure there is some BS going on high up the chain.

Is this sarcasm?

Most times the easiest answer is the correct on. Its not the evil deep state Democrats buying all the ammo man...

 

[GEM]

This thread is winding down. Speculation and conspiracies plague us.

When you get to 4 pages, that usually happens.

Closed.