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Mexican violence- 2A's fault?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by thorn726, Apr 22, 2008.

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  1. thorn726

    thorn726 Member

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    there's the link, i don't even want to post the article.
    basically our 2A rights are arming all of Mexico's gangs, so im sure the argument is we should give up all our rights for them

    not sure if they bothered to determine where the guns came from, the article seems to just make a big assumption, over 90% of their guns from US?

    http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=4695848&page=1
     
  2. Zoogster

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    Some of them do come from America. Many come from corrupt military and police sources, or are "stolen" from various facilities. Others come from south of thier border from other government sources or organizations. A full auto AK goes for a few hundred bucks in many parts of latin America.

    Personaly I don't really see a problem with it. A government that wants to disarm most of its people and limit them to very puny calibers so they can come in with paramilitary storm troopers and prevail at any time should have illicit sources of guns being used against them.

    If our government banned most guns people would still make thier own, military and police sources for firearms would make thier way to the black market, and foriegn sources would be a good thing. :neener:

    After all that is the whole purpose of firearms in the militia sense. To make everyone capable of killing anyone, so all must respect eachother and balance eachother out.

    People in body armor and armored vehicles change that intended balance unless the population also has arms that can defeat it.
     
  3. Car Knocker

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    The media has been running this story for months now. The Mexican government seems to have a good PR firm.
     
  4. mekender

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    if the Mexican government would close its side of the border, this wouldn't be a problem... and since its obvious that the US wont close their side, the Mexicans should step up and solve their problem and ours at the same time
     
  5. Standing Wolf

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    Frankly, I think we should be sending arms and ammunition to Mexico in support of a revolution. That country's oligarchy deserves to be overthrown and replaced with representative government.
     
  6. HighVelocity

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    Hey Mexico, send all the illegal guns back to the US and we'll send all your illegal migrants back to you. We'll keep ours, you keep yours.
     
  7. rdhood

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    Crimes and violence perpetrated with guns is always the fault of the person who committed the crime. Blaming it on the gun or the law takes the responsibility of the crime away from the perp.
     
  8. PTK

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    "Bad language - 1A's fault?"

    They get higher quality military weapons than what we can get here in the USA legally. Even had a few spotted with full auto P90s.
     
  9. Dr. Tad Hussein Winslow

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    Oh yeah, I'm sure the drug dealers would be armed with only OC spray and water guns if it weren't for the evil USA's 2nd amendment.

    Absolutely; Amen, +1!
     
  10. jfountain2

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    how did they get past all those purchase restrictions and waiting periods and back ground checks? I mean I am sure those mexicans did not come to our country illegally and then buy or steal illlegal weapons and smuggle them back into a country as peacful as mexico...
     
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    They just know who to talk to and have the money to pay for the bootlegs. This isn't very surprising...I mean really, is it that much of a shock that once again, in a place where most/all guns are illegal, once again criminals find ways of obtaining firearms?


    You know, that makes me jealous; the only reason I don't have a PS90 now is that the PS90 is not the P90; still might be fun to shoot, but what I think makes it such a cool firearm is how compact it is (which you can't fully appreciate when you have a 16" barrel forced on you) and how well it stays on target when firing on full auto (which you also can't appreciate...unless you're a mexican drug dealer who bought it illegally (which raises another question...how the hell do guns like that get on the black market?!))
     
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  13. Bezoar

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    americas 2nd amendment is not the reason for the mexican cartels arming its soldiers with american made weapons.

    The war on drugs is the reason. WHY? so many billions of dollars of military hardware has been sent south of the border to arm anti drug units. and alot of the people in anti drug units in mehico are also on the cartel pay rolls. and if officer jose needs a few bucks, its easy to have a few dozen m16a2s be deemed "unrepariable" and put on the scrapped list while officer jose takes them to the local cartel for a lot of cash in his pocket.
     
  14. ConstitutionCowboy

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    If Mexico acknowledged and protected the right of the people of Mexico to keep and bear arms, most of the gang violence would eventually fade away because the people would no longer be unarmed and unable to defend themselves.

    Woody
     
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    I hope Mexico gets flooded with guns. After all according to Article 10 or “Mexico’s” constitution:

    “Every man has the right to have and to carry arms for his security and legitimate defense.”

    Dan
     
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    Never have I seen so much illogical BS than with the Second Amendment and anti-gun arguments. It's too exhausting, and I happen to have lots of stamina.
     
  17. dave_pro2a

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    If they can't keep illegal aliens out of the United States, then we can't keep our guns out of Mexico.

    Great, maybe now the Mexican government will help us build a wall... 'for the poor police.'
     
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    Again here we see the connection between drug prohibition and victim disarmament laws. As usual, instead of simply eliminating the problems caused by drug prohibition by abolishing drug prohibition, the problems created by drug prohibition are being blamed on the lack of victim disarmament laws. And this will obviously result in stricter victim disarmament laws.

    In other words - if you support drug prohibition, you support gun control.

    Also, it is irritating when politicians blame high crime rates on the fact that their laws are "circumvented" by people bringing in firearms from outside jurisdictions. This ignores the fact that the crime rates in these other jurisdictions are always much lower.
     
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    I'd wager at least some of those P90s were purchased by government entities here, in Mexico, or in other countries and "walked away". Guaranteed they're using the good ammo too, not the soft plastic pointed stuff US citizens have to use.
     
  21. Zangetsu

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    It also ignores the possibility that those guns were obtained/transported illegally, in which case the gun control measures on the books are already as ineffective as any additional ones would be. If something is illegal and people do it anyway, obviously throwing more laws at people who will ignore them anyway won't work. Man, I love logic...how can this not make sense to everyone?
     
  22. TAB

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    sounds like a plan to me
     
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    mekender wrote in this post that,
    I heard that the US is planning of spending a billion or two building a fence along Mexico's sourthern border to stop the flow of illegals from Central America into Mexico. Sheeeeee.​
     
  24. mbt2001

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    Yep. Their military and police buy from us... I guess to a limited extent so do their criminals. This isn't the 2a's fault, it is the fault of the US Government for not properly securing the borders.

    If Mexico wants to complain about it, we should ask them if the want to eat their cake too...
     
  25. newbie4help

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    Gun control will not be effective at eliminating the supply. We need to end the pointless "war on drugs" to stop this sort of violence. See my post in the mandatory gun ownership thread.
     
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