Mexico protests US border agents' pepper weapons

[Gifted]

So we switch from the painful, inhumane pepper balls to FMJ, which is declared by the Geneva conventions to be humane. Or we could do what Isreal did, and build a wall...

I'm all for immigration, but you gotta do it right. The problem is how to keep the quality. A lot of those early immigrants wound up in tennements. Replicating those conditions is not on the list.

I'd say, annex Mexico. Pull the troops out of Iraq, and put them to work making Mexico part of the nation all those people want to be part of in the first place.

 

[spartacus2002]

These Mexican politicians don't really care, they just love seeing the American govt get all tied up in knots trying to be PC. It's like poking a beehive to hear the bees apologize for being poked.

I'm betting that one day soon in the newspaper we'll read about some good ol' boys who picked a good ambush site on a well-used trail, and afterwards the BP comes across the bodies of the border crossers stacked up. The American people seem to be getting sick of this.

 

[AZ Heat]

I suppose if the border-crossers are throwing "fist-sized rocks" at agents, the agents could always throw some rocks back at them...

Now that would be funny!
I bet the local little league would do that for free and save us some cash!

 

[FNHP35]

ehhh, I think the Mex Politicians do care. It all boils down to money. How much money and resources (read water) can they extract (extort?) out of the U.S. Gov. The Mexican Government is no more interested in the human rights of the Illegal's than they are with the price of tea in China. It's all about money.

Andrew

 

[Nightfall]

The video shown this month also contained separate images of a Mexican lifting his T-shirt to reveal welts and bruises on his chest, presumably from pellet impacts.

Wow. They're sustaining the same amount of injury a group of kids get when they play at a paintball course. Gee, guess we better ban paintball. It's a human rights violation, don't cha know.

 

[DesertEagle613]

Hmmm. Maybe someone could set up a paintball arena right by the border, with large signs to that effect. If someone wandered in anyway, they'd be caught in the crossfire because of their own negligence, wouldn't they?

 

[Cool Hand Luke 22:36]

I'd say, annex Mexico. Pull the troops out of Iraq, and put them to work making Mexico part of the nation all those people want to be part of in the first place.

We should annex all of Mexico and Central America. We would get a lot of inexpensive beachfront property, and the Panama canal back as well.

 

[joe sixpack]

Re: annexation

I think they are beating us to it.

 

[flatrock]

We should annex all of Mexico and Central America. We would get a lot of inexpensive beachfront property, and the Panama canal back as well.

I like the beaches in Mexico the way they are. The mexican people down in the Rivera Maya seem relatively hard working and friendly. I don't trust their government, but neither do they.

I'm afraid that if we annexed Mexico, we'd just screw up the things I like about the place.

 

[Smoke]

Next time you're in Mexico, where you crossed legally and you're spending your Americano Dolares, and get caught with a couple of Joints your Brother-in-law left in a suitcase you borrowed....lets see how the Mescan Federales treat your civil/human rights.

Smoke

 

[454c]

Money is a big part of it.The big companys and the country these people come from all benefit.The rest of us pay the bill and tolerate the problems they create.Heck yea Mexico wants us to let the illegals walk right in.They are sending lots of money back home.You don't think so?I saw it every week after pay day and not just a couple of them either.Bad for the U.S.,good for Mexico.

I grew up in the small town that I live in and saw the changes that these illegals cause in a community.It's not good or for the better.

Don't get me wrong,I'm all for immigration if it's done legally and dang it LEARN ENGLISH !!!!!!!!

 

[rick_reno]

They'd be ok with this is the bullets were filled with jalapenos and some refried beans.

That border and it's lack of control, while we're supposedly at "war", is one of the reasons the Shrubmeister won't be getting my vote come November. Wait until the next terrorist hit happens and they prove that they and whatever device they use came across that border.

 

[mtnbkr]

I like the beaches in Mexico the way they are. The mexican people down in the Rivera Maya seem relatively hard working and friendly.

Yup. My wife and I loved that area as well.

I'm betting that one day soon in the newspaper we'll read about some good ol' boys who picked a good ambush site on a well-used trail, and afterwards the BP comes across the bodies of the border crossers stacked up. The American people seem to be getting sick of this.

Can't say I'd be too upset either.

Which makes me sad because I've enjoyed my travels there and I have a mexican relative (by marriage) who is a hardworking person and good husband to my cousin. He's a welcome member of our family. This country needs more people like him. I know he's here legally, he was born here, but I'm not sure about his parents.

Chris

 

[13A]

I am getting tired of Mexican officials stating what they will not tolerate when it comes to their citizens treatment when THEY violate our laws by entering this country illegally.

This country will go the way of Yugoslavia if this keeps up.

Aztlan anyone?

http://home.earthlink.net/~marksiporen/reference/NCR-Reconquistas.html

 

[SIGarmed]

You know why they really don't like it. The pepper is effective and its non-lethal. It works really well provided the subjects are not on drugs. Its a great tool for the Border Patrol to use and the illegals and their friends don't like it. It works too good.

The same with all the complaining leftists that want pepper spray banned. They're calling it torture. All those protesting ultra leftists would love it if pepper spray and CS gas were banned. They'd have an easier time of getting out of hand during their protests.

They're not concerned with all of the injuries and or potential lives that are saved with pepper spray and the like. The end justifies the means as far as their cause is concerned.

 

[Ezekiel]

I don't get it...

I'm no pacifist weenie, but there are two things -- even after I let this topic die for two days so I could "calm down" after others' statements -- that I'd like to point out:

1. The Mexican (or Canadian!) border is undefendable.
2. 98.2% (last census) of the American population is not Native by descent.

The first redneck, not that I've seen any here, who proclaims, "I wuz bone hee-yah and Ize an 'merican" merely validates the Mexican viewpoint. Of course, this is merely my opinion: U.S. citizens, of which I am one, are largely hypocritical.

 

[R.H. Lee]

I don't get it...

It's the difference between legal and illegal immigration. For example, I was born in California, that makes me a native American. My father was born in Canada, but legally immigrated here along with his family when he was 9.

Border jumpers come here illegally, that means without going through the immigration process, that's why they're called undocumented.

See the difference?

 

[Ezekiel]

"native American" vs. "Native American"...

...is there a distinction? Does it matter in the context of our ongoing discourse?

Riley, I greatly appreciate your conscientious answer. Perhaps, I am the only one with personal difficulties with this topic. I am, you see, an American Indian. Now, I don’t buy into any of that bogus crap that someone owes me anything, or that I’m super spiritual, or that the “old ways†were the “best waysâ€. (I have, however, attached a photo merely to make it evident that this is a true social definition and that I am not some New Age freak.) In fact, hardcore Injun traditionalists would resent me for both being an evil assimilist and for using the word “Injunâ€. Further, because I went and got a “white man’s†BA and MPA, I’ve “sold outâ€. Trust me, I’m not “special†except in that same manner in which we all are. I do, however, have an unique view on things pertaining to immigration and America. Occasionally, I get mad…

 

[tyme]

Countries go through phases. What may have been sound national policy 100 years ago may not be sound national policy today, when we have a much larger population and a variety of entitlement programs.

"We should allow illegal/uncontrolled immigration because it was the norm years ago."
Not without reason.

There's nothing that guarantees United States citizenship to people of other countries. Immigration is one of the few areas where the Federal Government does have the power to regulate.

 

[Art Eatman]

Well, Ezekiel, I do indeed consider that I'm a native American. Anybody who was born in some particular place is a native of that place. That's one of those inescapable dictionary things. Words do indeed have meaning--and they must be consistent, regardless of politics.

Now, I'd have no problem with referring to the Amerind as the Original Americans. There's first-comers and late-comers.

Regardless of folks getting all in a swivet about who's named what, the issue with illegals is twofold.

First, they're illegal. As in they broke the law. Anybody doesn't like the law, seek to change it--just as many of us do with regard to firearms laws. In the meantime, it's the law, for good or ill.

Second, there is the physical problem, which includes the financial problem. When the lifeboat is full enough that there's little remaining freeboard, you quit taking on more people. The lifeboat simile is that we can't afford the costs to local infrastructure that are caused by illegals. This includes hospitals and the justice system, aside from "welfare" subsidies of one sort or another. Illegals are bringing in diseases that are becoming endemic, which in this country had pretty much been ended or pretty thorougly controlled. (One with which I'm familiar is TB. BTDT.)

What chaps my tail about any sympathetic views of the illegals from Mexico is that there seems to be no negative attituded toward the corrupt socio-political system which creates the need for millions of people to leave that country and seek minimal living conditions elsewhere. Were the system in Mexico worth the powder and shot to blow it to Hades--and that would be a consummation devoutly to be wished--there would not be the millions of walkers and waders. Mexico has all the raw materials resource base one could ever wish for--but the corruption down there obviates its use on behalf of the citizenry as a whole...

Art

 

[Ezekiel]

Well, Ezekiel, I do indeed consider that I'm a native American. Anybody who was born in some particular place is a native of that place. That's one of those inescapable dictionary things. Words do indeed have meaning--and they must be consistent, regardless of politics.

Respectfully, I would never try to deny your consideration. Of course, taking this to a logical Webster's conclusion, anyone born from Canada to Argentina becomes a native American by definition. We, those born in the United States, conveniently forget this on a daily basis. When studying abroad, I found this to be one of those things that other nationalities just do not like about us. If words mean something -- and, like you, I believe they do -- more specificity is required.

There's first-comers and late-comers.

This represents my moral dilemma! What I sometimes perceive for this issue is the equivalent of party crashers [early immigrants, both "legal" and "illegal"] showing up, drinking all the beer, and then declaring the dance is over when new arrivals [later immigrants, both "legal" and "illegal"] hit the door. To me, such is grotesquely hypocritical.

I realize two things, however. First, this is not Utopia and there are considerations beyond mine own feelings of unease. Second, someone is going to be offended because I used an analogy. (I sincerely hope not.)

 

[Art Eatman]

Ezekiel, folks--seems to me--mix up two issues in all this stuff about border-crossings. First off, there's the set of problems with respect to illegal border-jumpers and their various impacts on local residents, law enforcement and then the various infrastructures of states and cities.

Then there is the more fundamental issue of immigration itsownself. How many, and what sort, and what requirements?

It helps, IMO, to at least learn a smattering of the immigration laws/rules/regs of other countries before griping about those of the US. Heck, just look at those of Mexico! Very strict; rough to meet...

Art

 

[wingman]

Simply put most young couples decide 1, 2,3 children, how many can we care for, our country is a family at some point we must decide how many
can we care for and maintain a free, quality life for America. If we fail and
I believe we are on a road to do so then much of the world will be in
greater trouble. This is not a race issue it is a numbers problem that if
not controlled at some point will fragment this country so bad that I am
not sure we can recover.

As Art said the boat is filling up, we are losing freedom with more laws to
control the growing population, personally I would like to see a hold on all
immigration for 3 years and then a controlled number from that point. Do
I see this happening, no, because too much money is being made by a few
on the transfer of poor people. Sad to say we seem to have a policy of
waiting until a disaster before we act.

 

[Ezekiel]

It helps, IMO, to at least learn a smattering of the immigration laws/rules/regs of other countries before griping about those of the US. Heck, just look at those of Mexico! Very strict; rough to meet...

Excellent insight. I do appreciate your candor and well thought out reply.