Micro 9’s seem to be growing up
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amd6547
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Personally, I’ll stick with my G26, which has been my EDC for quite a few years.
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It’s a great gun but too thick for me personally. I’ve setted on an Sig 365. Thinner and easier to conceal. At least for me.
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The ergonomics of "gun fit" to "hand size" are as varied as the range of human hand sizes.
And, mostly, it seems like the various manufacturers are merely adding "plus sizes" to their existing lines, rather than replacing the smaller versions.
It may be harder to find the small versions in the LGS display case, as those sell so reliably.
And, there's some amount of buying "the new hotness" just because it's new, not for being "better."
Now, whether this is a 'historical' trend remains to be seen,
Consider the below--a 70s era Colt 380 Govt atop a SIG 365X
As telling, perhaps, Consider this 100 year-old 1903 Colt and a SIG 365X
Note that these are not the smallest examples of these (barring the 1903).
The SIG 365 is 10 round rather than 12 and is about 20mm shorter in the grip. The Colt Mustang is about the same, about 20mm shorter in grip; and 10mm shorter along the slide.
For my 2¢ we have more variety rather than a change in what's being marketed.
And, mostly, it seems like the various manufacturers are merely adding "plus sizes" to their existing lines, rather than replacing the smaller versions.
It may be harder to find the small versions in the LGS display case, as those sell so reliably.
And, there's some amount of buying "the new hotness" just because it's new, not for being "better."
Now, whether this is a 'historical' trend remains to be seen,
Consider the below--a 70s era Colt 380 Govt atop a SIG 365X
As telling, perhaps, Consider this 100 year-old 1903 Colt and a SIG 365X
Note that these are not the smallest examples of these (barring the 1903).
The SIG 365 is 10 round rather than 12 and is about 20mm shorter in the grip. The Colt Mustang is about the same, about 20mm shorter in grip; and 10mm shorter along the slide.
For my 2¢ we have more variety rather than a change in what's being marketed.
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Dimensions haven't changed. Slide is/has always been interchangeable.
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Interchangeable slides .. But two separate pistols
43X & 48 mags doesn’t work in a 43 …
The 43X & 48 was produced for a higher capacity micro pistol… the 43x & 48 have wider mags than the 43
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When do the micros become compacts?
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When the LCP Max came out. IMO, there are no "micro" 9's, it's basically a question of thickness, none of them are short enough in terms of length or height to be called micro like a pocket .380 is.
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I got your drift about "growing", but I wanted to point out they're two different pistols, as you just have said. So, in a sense, there was no "growing" but expanding the options.
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Yeah, I'll stick with my P365 with the 12rd magazine.
If I wanted to carry a larger pistol with 3 more rounds of capacity, then I would just carry the G19. But I do see the logic of the larger versions of the micros; more capacity and less recoil with the same manual of arms and trigger feel. If you want more capacity, then carry the larger version. If you want better concealability, then carry the micro version. I get it.
If I wanted to carry a larger pistol with 3 more rounds of capacity, then I would just carry the G19. But I do see the logic of the larger versions of the micros; more capacity and less recoil with the same manual of arms and trigger feel. If you want more capacity, then carry the larger version. If you want better concealability, then carry the micro version. I get it.
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Ruger Security 380
Soft shooting.. I replaced the stock spring with a +10 .. even softer shooting
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"Plus", "X", "XL" is when, IMO.
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Been planning to get that and a P32 this Summer. How is the reliability with the heavier spring?
I disagree. I consider the Diamondback DB9 to be a micro 9. I pocket carry one every day. Not only can I put it in my front pocket I can also get it out again if needed. Everything else, like the Hellcat and CM9 below, I consider to be subcompacts. I consider my Glock 27 a compact, not really a sub compact.
Personally I would rather have 7 rounds of 9mm +P than 11 rounds of 380.
There are other micro 9's, like the the Bond arms bullpup:
but both my DB9's have been 100% reliable with the ammo I have tried, the Bond arms doesn't have the same reputation.
Of course this is just my opinion of gun size classification. Everything the OP posted is a subcompact or compact in my book.
Occasionally I will carry my original LCP but 90% of the time I carry my DB9.
It takes more training to get proficient with a micro 9mm than a subcompact, compact or full size pistol. But if you are willing to put in the range time these little beasts can be tamed... in competent hands.
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Even Ruger has come out with a 4" slide for the Max-9. It is understandable why they keep making larger versions of them. Even if longer they are still thinner which does aid concealment and we all know larger guns are easier to shoot well. For now I'm just going to keep rocking my little Max-9. I've always found the micro 9 craze of the last few years interesting. Years ago I had a Kel-Tec P-11. They are all about the same size & capacity it was. The newer ones have better triggers & usually nicer finishes but they are pretty much nicer versions of the same concept.
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I think the reason they keep making larger versions is to keep making sales to those who have ditched the true doublestacks (Glock 19, 22, etc.) and much like what Glock did in making smaller version of their original G17, everyone is doing the opposite in making bigger versions of these "micro" 9's.
It does make some sense, you're offering a larger pistol that uses the same mags that some already own and the mags can be cross compatible. This was originally why I was skeptical of these slim doublestacks as many already had their compact and full size 9mm that shared mags.
Being the owner of a GX4, I'm not really interested in an XL and I doubt I would be for any of the other similar micro 9 pistols.
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My personal CZoice as well, eCZellent pistol. But, the P-10S, while an excellent CCW pistol, is hardly "micro". My wife carries the only CZ "micro:" pistol, the CZ P-10M, out of print now. It's only 7 rounds, but it vanishes easily.
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My personal CZoice as well, eCZellent pistol. But, the P-10S, while an excellent CCW pistol, is hardly "micro". My wife carries the only CZ "micro:" pistol, the CZ P-10M, out of print now. It's only 7 rounds, but it vanishes easily.
Didn’t say the CZ P10S was a micro .. why did u think I said it was a micro? This thread is basically saying.. people seem to leaning back to larger pistols … that the micro’s are getting larger .. from 10rds to 15 or 17rds ..
The CZ P10S is a nice size Sub compact .. with a great trigger .. mine is 14+1 with the +2 base plate .. just barely increased the height and gives a place for the pinky to land ..
as u see below I do like my CZ P10C also .. and his German friend
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Sub compacts are pistols that share their big brothers magazine …I disagree. I consider the Diamondback DB9 to be a micro 9. I pocket carry one every day. Not only can I put it in my front pocket I can also get it out again if needed. Everything else, like the Hellcat and CM9 below, I consider to be subcompacts. I consider my Glock 27 a compact, not really a sub compact.
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Personally I would rather have 7 rounds of 9mm +P than 11 rounds of 380.
There are other micro 9's, like the the Bond arms bullpup:
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but both my DB9's have been 100% reliable with the ammo I have tried, the Bond arms doesn't have the same reputation.
Of course this is just my opinion of gun size classification. Everything the OP posted is a subcompact or compact in my book.
Occasionally I will carry my original LCP but 90% of the time I carry my DB9.
It takes more training to get proficient with a micro 9mm than a subcompact, compact or full size pistol. But if you are willing to put in the range time these little beasts can be tamed... in competent hands.
17 Fullsize , 19 Compact ,26 Sub compact &
P10 F , P10 C , P10 S
But see what u mean .. tiny 9’s like the Kahr and DB .. they sorta own that distinction.. I didn’t realize just how small the DB was !
