Discussion in 'Rallying Point and Range Discussions' started by bratch, Apr 8, 2006.
As an added incentive...
I'll do my best, and I mean my very best, to have Crystal come with us..
Great ideal and here are a few things to consider.
#1 when you reserve the ranges make sure they will give you plenty of rooms at the center. They will tell you you will have to wait to put in for rooms untill after a date like feb 1st or the such. Tell them NO way and because you ar organizing a large event you want some kind of promise for a large chunk of the rooms. Remember to pick a weekend that is open with NOTHING else large going on. June is a busy month down there. You most likely will be very limited on which ranges you can reserve in that month. You will run into the adventure camp dates, regional highpower events and a large one week palma match.
May could be a better choice.
#2 YOU will have to have insurance. You can not reserve any range under the Whiitington centers insurance. You most likely will have to come up with a name like the highroad shooting club and then get insurance. You will be looking at more than likey around $800 or so for that.
If you set a date you will have a certain amount of time to get the insurance together before they will officially book it for you.
#3 there are some nice sheds behind the shilouette range for folks that may want to set up sales booths.
#4 The best way for ammo os to have someone close have it drop shipped to them so that they may bring it in. I would think you could work with a ammo supplier for some good deals if you get it all shipped at once. GROUP BUY!
#5 Plenty of motels in town but its nice to stay at the center.
#6 "FOOD" I would suggest a pot luck for like a fri. and sat. evening. That time a year the resurant at the center is usually open for dinner and or breakfast. Town of Raton is like 10 minutes away. A few good places to eat and a few I avoid.
#7 Remember even if you ARE a member of the Whittington center you as well as anyone else who uses the range WILL be charged a fee of $10 a day for range use. You may consider that the cost of reserving the range so to speak.
#8 Auto's? more than likely you will not be allowed to use them as they are not allowed to be used at the center. They have waived it in the past but for this event I really think it not be allowed. You can ask as you never will unless you do.
#9 if you set a date I would ask for folks to send in funds for insurance plus the first day of range fees at least.
#10 I would reserve the following ranges for a large event. Shilouette highpower range, 1,000 yard highpower range and the run and gun type of pistol range.
#11 i believe at least 1/2 of the folks using the ranges need to be a member of the NRA. Not sure if it is required by the Center of for insurance reasons.
Sounds like fun and count me in when you get it set up.
Finally, a little advance planning! I'll be able to save up some vacation time.
We'll have to bring a whole busload of Californians; we won't be able to bring the coolest guns, but wait'll you see our high-capacity chromed tactical espresso machines!! Ooooh-and CHAI! You guys are gonna love chai.
Just let us know ahead of time what size shirt you wear, so we have enough "I (HEART) SAN FRANCISCO! Tees.
Well this sounds like lots of fun!!!
I better send my membership in to the NRA. I haven't done that yet.
Larry If you need any donations just give me a holler, I would love to be a part of this little get together also.
I'm going to have to start buying some ammo. LOL...
I would certainly have assumed that all consumables would be the responsibility of individual consuming them to cover.
Looks like I'll need to start buying about a box of ammo each month until the shoot (that and get busy at the reloading bench for the calibers I have dies for).
Are we talking about a Fri-Sun schedule, or something longer? Makes a difference in the whole budgeting issue (time and money). If I could have my way, those able to would show up on a Thursday night (the rest sometime Friday), shoot all day Friday and Saturday, and some or all of Sunday depending on individual schedules with everyone on their way home by Monday. For those that live close enough, that would only mean 1 or 2 days of vacation time and would keep accomodation costs within reason while still allowing us to generate a mountain of spent brass. However, I'm certainly willing to go along with whatever bratch and Larry come up with.
How much are the primitive camping spots, and are shower facilities available to people who camp there? If the civilized rooms are $50/room/night I'd be pretty temped to go that route, since by sharing it's only $25/person, especially if the campers don't get to use the showers.
When I talked to NRAWC last week I ran into a little bit of difficulty in discussing our plans since we were so early in planning and didnt have a real decent idea on the numbers we would have or what exactly we would be needing. They were more than willing to try whatever they could to accomadate us but we're going to need a few more plans.
Hopefully another discussion on the land-line will iron out enough details to get the ball rolling a little quicker.
My next couple weeks are hellacious but give me a call when you get a chance and I'll make time for you.
Looks like this will be a great time guys.
Housing prices from website:
RV Campground Area, Per Night (daily) - $18.00
(6 persons maximum per vehicle)
Electric only (shotgun building and coors range) - $12.00
RV Storage - $1.00 per day OR $25.00 per month
Primitive Campground (daily) - $12.00
Competitor Housing, Per Person, Per Night - Single Occupancy $26.00; Double Occupancy $44.00
Log Cabins, Per Person (4 min) - $14.00
Housekeeping Cabin, Per Person, Per Night - Single Occupancy $26.00; Double Occupancy $44.00
RV Cabin (daily) - $35.00
The original time frame was Thursday to Sunday. This hasn't been set in stone and people are always free to come and go as they please.
Thanks for the input. Alot of the stuff I was unaware of and will need to be looked into.
Hopefully we can get 40 in attendance that should get the insurance to around $20/person.
Jon, is it necessary to reserve a range? Just asking. We were there in June two years ago and we reserved the housing, but not the ranges. We just used the ones that weren't being used. There was a High Power event going on (you were there, I saw your name on the sign-in), so that range was closed, as was the BP one, but everything else was open and hardly being used at all. Oh, there was a Sporting Clays tournament going on on Sunday, also.
Of course there were only about 15 of us. We used the Hunter Silhouette, rifle silhouette and the sight in range. Also, the IPSC ranges were not being used at all.
I think it would be hard for that large a group to decide which range to reserve. There are going to be shooters of every persuasion in our group. I would like to try their shotgun facilities, and maybe spend another day at the rifle silhouette range with my Garand. I'm sure a lot of handgun people will want to try the Hunter Silhouette (everything from rimfire to magnum calibers, NO bottleneck cartridges). Zak will want to use one or more of the IPSC or 3 gun ranges.
See what I mean? Is it possible for us to just fan out for the day(s) and just use the available ranges?
More questions to ask the NRAWC people.
Sure you can do that. but I would think the way you guys are talking it may turn out to be a larger event than that.
I just wanted to bring up a few things you may run into for a larger event.
Just look at the turn out you guys get for the get together down in Pueblo.
We are having a event like you are talking about on the 28th threw 30th of this month and it looks like around 50 to 60 shooters coming from all over the country.
To put it together is not that bad as the insurance thing is the hang up. But as you see there are lots of events down there so folks do it.
Lets see what happens and how this one goes and if you want after you talk to the NRA center I can put you in contact with a few folks that put this one together. It may make it smoother for you to orginize.
If you reserve the ranges for a event you can plan shoots like a 3-gun or a a long range or what ever. Lots of room down that away.
Did not mean to make it sound like it would be a hard thing but just wanted to bring up some things to think about.
Jon, Gotcha. I guess I'm picturing 40 or so people showing up. Since we have had almost that many at my place a time or two, this thing is probably going to be a lot bigger than I am imagining.
I guess its best to wait and see how many are actually coming before I make any assumptions on how things will go.
I'm in. Y'all ever shot wobble flurries low gun?.....
Something tells me we might have a bit more than 40
Never shot wobble trap, flurries or any combination thereof, but I'm game. If sm and Dave both come, I have a feeling we're gonna have to reserve part of the shotgun range.
It's only a couple hours drive from here, and I'm a member. I think maybe a good idea would be for Smoke Rizen and myself and our wives to take a little road trip and talk to them personally. I will take some guns and ammo, just in case.
Another thought we had (OK, Sandy had) last night is we could pull Smoke Rizen's horse trailer with my pickup so we could haul more gear. If Dave or somebody else were flying in, they could ship their ammo to me and we could haul it (up to a point of course).
I had meant to mention that. NRAWC said drop shipping wouldnt be a problem but storage could be. If we could have some of the ammo shipped to driving members it would probably be best.
Hmm, Larry, mind PMing me a phone number and an addy? I may order some ammo and ask you to hold it until the event.
Maybe a flat of target loads or two, another of 00....
More importantly, how am I getting a "Serious" 870, Number 6 and Frankenstein there by air? Hmm, does Southwest have a flight to Albequerque?
Guess I'd better call them...
My ears were burning...
You mean folks actually pre-mount shotguns?
I'm probably in. Always wanted to go on a road trip.
Okay, where is the list of our friendly understanding LEOs ? We need a map with pins...
Stategy and Tactics to Whittington...
I get dibbs having LawDog riding shotgun with me...
Been mulling this over all evening (well, except for the 2.5 hours spent at the FNRA meeting).
Dave lands in Colorado Springs; Standing Wolf, Zundfolge and Justin are almost sure bets to make the trip. Any one of them could pick Dave up at the airport and haul him to NRAWC, Failing that, Zak, Dr. Rob, Boze and a whole bunch more coming from up north.
Dave, forget about renting that car.
Given 14 months to make this work, we, with some planning, could make this as easy on everybody as possible.
Also, instead of shipping ammo to me, and me delivering it, we could make a group buy at Sportsmans Warehouse or Dick's in Colorado Springs. Put together an order, send me the money, and I could buy the ammo and deliver it to the WC. Of course, this would take place at a time much closer to the event.
I can see me now:
"I'll take all that Estate 12 ga ammo, and three flats of Rem STS's in 12 ga, 15 flats of 20 ga Estates and three flats of STS .410's. No thanks, I load my own 28's. Throw in thirty bricks of .22lr. Just load em all in the horse trailer out front, the one attached to the black crew cab Chevy."
Why does that sound like something Steve would say?
I've been to Raton and can even recommend fine lodging in town for those who don't feel like pitching a tent.
The El Portal hotel is reputed to be haunted but has a fine selection of comfortable rooms.
Casa Blanca is a neighborhood bar where polka and mexican cowboy tunes intermix and flow as freely as the beer.
Count me in.
I buy him books and send him to school ...
...and Larry still forgets the Beef Jerky, and Peppermint. *sigh*
Jerky makes one a better shooter, Peppermint is for spoiling dogs.
Smoke Rizen has already started "mentoring" me on BP shotguns.
Lesson One: Cookies, round are best.
Once I get that Lesson down pat, I get to learn Lesson Two.
I need to PM Dave on how to sneak the Redneck Games into this somehow *snicker*
Just fr'instance... I'm kinda near Mountain Home, Arkansas. So, if several people wanted to have a bunch of ammo drop shipped to me here, how much weight (total) would we really be talking about?
Or, would there be somewhere in OKC (Really LARGE vehicle access), maybe, to pick it up (bulk) at one time?
There is a Sportsmans Warehouse in OKC. Depending on what Larry finds out about using SW that could be a possibility.
Sounds like fun. If we can get some firm dates set I can start planning vacation time for this. But then again with my luck National Guard summer camp, or worse, getting prepared to go play in the sand box will come up and I will not be able to attend. Anyone with any experience with the military knows not to make set plans more than a week out at a time.
Might want to see about having the mods set up a dedicated forum for this event. It's going to be huge after a few weeks, let alone 14 months!
LOL. I would triple that number for a low guess, easy. This site has over 10,000 members now. Vast majority doesn't post. Doesn't mean they ain't paying attention though! I've been to several smaller scale internet gatherings, and you can always count on a lot of 'extra' people showing up unannounced. Really throws the cooks into a fit when they planned on 20, and 60 people are wanting burgers and brats...
I would also recommend getting a definite number that the hosting range can support. Say they say only 200 people. What are we going to do then? Sho off the extras that are sure to arrive?
I say start up a list, and have people send in like...$50 to secure a spot, per person. That will weed out the not-really-serious Me Toos! that throw off estimates, and gives a start on the money for insurance, fees, water food, tshirts, etc etc.
All that said, who do I send my $50 bucks too? I haven't been in that part of New Mexico in over 15 years, I can't wait to see it again! Hell, I don't even have to be shooting to enjoy visiting the sw!
*Edited to add: Heck, I just checked and we have over 28,000 members! Sniff, seems like just yesterday we broke that 10K mark...*
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