Mil spec

How do you feel about Mil spec on AR15s?

  • I consider it the bare minimum and prefer better

    Votes: 56 34.4%

  • I only buy mil spec

    Votes: 24 14.7%

  • I like it, but I go away from it for cost and functionality

    Votes: 19 11.7%

  • I only buy non mil spec guns

    Votes: 2 1.2%

  • It doesn't matter to me

    Votes: 62 38.0%
  • Total voters
    163
  • Poll closed .
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My barrel isnt milspec.
My gas system isnt milspec.
My bolt material isnt milspec. Nor is the testing done on it.
My AR is probably as far as you can get from the TDP. Probably laughs at it. Milspec altar worshipers probably think its a ticking time bomb on paper. But yet I have the utmost confidence in it to protect my family's lives. More reliable and durable than a milspec AR too. Milspec is the floor and you can go MUCH MUCH better. Eugene Stoner proved that in the late 90's.
 
hatt said:
That post is worthless without details.
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If he trusts it...that's what matters.

If he tells us what it is, that will just lead to 'discussion' about whether or not his "more reliable and durable" claim is valid.

He probably believes we won't agree with that assessment, if we knew the specs.

Which is fine. It's his rifle.
 
SpentCasing said:
My barrel isnt milspec.
My gas system isnt milspec.
My bolt material isnt milspec. Nor is the testing done on it.
My AR is probably as far as you can get from the TDP. Probably laughs at it. Milspec altar worshipers probably think its a ticking time bomb on paper. But yet I have the utmost confidence in it to protect my family's lives. More reliable and durable than a milspec AR too. Milspec is the floor and you can go MUCH MUCH better. Eugene Stoner proved that in the late 90's.
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Meh. If it works for you, great. You'll not hear any objections from me on how much you want to put into your gun(s) or what specs you choose to follow in your quest.

But saying "Milspec is the floor and you can go MUCH MUCH better" is kind of like saying that your average Ford/Chrystler/Chevy sedan "is the floor" and you can go MUCH MUCH better with a Ferrari/Bently/Viper.

But "the floor" can STILL reliably and satisfactorily get the job done.
 
RetiredUSNChief said:
Meh. If it works for you, great. You'll not hear any objections from me on how much you want to put into your gun(s) or what specs you choose to follow in your quest.

But saying "Milspec is the floor and you can go MUCH MUCH better" is kind of like saying that your average Ford/Chrystler/Chevy sedan "is the floor" and you can go MUCH MUCH better with a Ferrari/Bently/Viper.

But "the floor" can STILL reliably and satisfactorily get the job done.
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Depends on what "the job" is. Daily driver? Yep. Hardcore pro level race season? Nope. (using the car analogy of course)

In gun terms I guess a Lorcin can do what a 6920 does. Id prefer neither though in terms of my family's safety. I prefer the best, they deserve it. And also in gun terms, a "milspec" 6920 doesnt cut it.

Edit: Sorry Warp didnt see your post. I use a KAC SR15 Mod1. Any problems with that selection over a 6920 for home defense? It absolutely does NOT adhere to the TDP.
 
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My goto AR is a KAC SR15 Mod1. What am I missing out on by adhering to milspecs/TDP by that choice? What does a 6920 give me as an advantage? SR15 Mod1 is VERY far from that "standard". That why I consider it the bottom. The base line.
 
SpentCasing said:
My goto AR is a KAC SR15 Mod1. What am I missing out on by [not] adhering to milspecs/TDP by that choice? What does a 6920 give me as an advantage? SR15 Mod1 is VERY far from that "standard". That why I consider it the bottom. The base line.
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The SR15 is a great rifle, and gives up nothing to a 6920.

I'm not sure why you insulted people by calling them "Milspec altar worshipers " in your previous post when you are in total agreement.
 
Not necessarily. I was mainly pointing out that on paper my rifle would be seen as a matter of time until failure. The TDP can and has been improved upon.

My bbl is not 4150 CMV.
My bbl is not BR.
My bolt is not C158.
My bolt is not HPT.
My gas length is not carbine.
etc. etc.

IMO, milspec/TDP is outdated.....
but is a good indicator of known value/quality. But no means a ceiling of quality. Merely a floor.
 
The question isn't what will the 6920 do better than the KAC but what will the KAC do better than the 6920
 
Again I disagree. How would a SR15 stack up on Rob_S "chart" vs a Colt? Who would have more boxes checked? Who would be perceived "better" by the uninformed based of the criteria of the "chart"? Now, which is truly better in real life/use?

Not the one that adheres to the TDP.
 
Warp said:
The KAC SR15.

Go ahead and start a poll, if you want to see. Ask what's better, a Colt 6920 or a KAC SR15.

Link it here please.
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Actually Im interested in this social experiment. How should I word it? Should I simply ask which is "better"? Or which the buyer would prefer? Or if the SR improvements are worth the cost difference over a 6920(milspec/TDP)? Also I assume you want the poll on this site, no? I figure it would be more fair here than arf, M4C or LF.
 
SpentCasing said:
Actually Im interested in this social experiment. How should I word it? Should I simply ask which is "better"? Or which the buyer would prefer? Or if the SR improvements are worth the cost difference over a 6920(milspec/TDP)? Also I assume you want the poll on this site, no? I figure it would be more fair here than arf, M4C or LF.
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Which AR pattern rifle is better? <--title

Money no object, which AR pattern rifle is better?

Uses: Go-to rifle for home defense and self defense. Reliability and durability are of the utmost importance.

Colt LE6920 or Knights Armament Company (KAC) SR15?
 
SpentCasing said:
Depends on what "the job" is. Daily driver? Yep. Hardcore pro level race season? Nope. (using the car analogy of course)

In gun terms I guess a Lorcin can do what a 6920 does. Id prefer neither though in terms of my family's safety. I prefer the best, they deserve it. And also in gun terms, a "milspec" 6920 doesnt cut it.

Edit: Sorry Warp didnt see your post. I use a KAC SR15 Mod1. Any problems with that selection over a 6920 for home defense? It absolutely does NOT adhere to the TDP.
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Oh, absolutely it depends on the job. Like a typical family car that gets everybody to and from work, school, grocery store, vacations, and such in very much a dependable fashion, a gun built to "milspec" will likewise do everything it's designed to do.

But if I want to drag race a car, that Ford/Chrystler/Chevy ain't gonna do the trick without modifications/upgrades at the very least.

Likewise, I would not expect a "milspec" gun to be something that would be used for, say, precision shooting in competitions.

These are examples of two entirely different classes.

For self-defense use, you don't NEED the Lamborghini of firearms. Nor do you need a Bugatti rifle to take down that deer in the woods.

As I said before, you'll not hear objections from me on how much you (or anybody else) may WANT to dress up and improve your firearms for whatever purpose you wish. Some people simply relish the mechanical perfection of the process, even when it goes way beyond any practical use. More power to you and them. I'm all about improvements.

And for some people, it's simply a work of art to be appreciated for the beauty and effort that went into it.

I just think it's a misnomer to to make your final statement in your comment like you did.

;)
 
The automobile comparison doesn't work because folks talk about "Ford/Chevy vs Ferrari". It just doesn't work that way. Ford & Chevy are trying to design affordable cars that are reliable enough to make their customers happy while making the automakers money. Ferrari is selling an image. Ferraris are much more expensive to purchase and maintain, have a reputation for being finicky and practical doesn't even begin to describe their mission.

Making a comparison between a top shelf AR maker and an "also ran" is more like comparing a Ford F150 with a factory modular V8 to an F150 knock off with an engine that might come from Ford or maybe was built up with aftermarket parts reverse engineered from a Ford engine.

Or buying a V8 Mustang off the showroom floor, or buying one worked over by Shelby, Saleen or Kenne Bell
 
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That last line sounds much more accurate

"Making a comparison between a top shelf AR maker and an "also ran" is more like comparing a Ford F150 with a factory modular V8 to an F150 knock off with an engine that might come from Ford or maybe was built up with aftermarket parts reverse engineered from a Ford engine"

Ferrari sells more than an image, though. Let's be real here.
 
MistWolf said:
The automobile comparison doesn't work because folks talk about "Ford/Chevy vs Ferrari". It just doesn't work that way. Ford & Chevy are trying to design affordable cars that are reliable enough to make their customers happy while making the automakers money. Ferrari is selling an image. Ferraris are much more expensive to purchase and maintain, have a reputation for being finicky and practical doesn't even begin to describe their mission.

Making a comparison between a top shelf AR maker and an "also ran" is more like comparing a Ford F150 with a factory modular V8 to an F150 knock off with an engine that might come from Ford or maybe was built up with aftermarket parts reverse engineered from a Ford engine.

Or buying a V8 Mustang off the showroom floor, or buying one worked over by Shelby, Saleen or Kenne Bell
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off task , but ,, FORD beat Ferrari at there own game 5 years in a row with the GT40 now if I could get an AR spec like a Ford GT40 that would be a true race gun !! lol
 
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