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  1. Jordan85

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    Forgive me for my ignorance here. I'm a relatively new shooter. I've been stretching myself pretty thin on 'gun stuff' lately (just got a new M&P in time for the promo, cashed in on that 3 clip deal Springfields got going for the XD's, and reloading kit in the mail--okay, not that bad, but at least thin for me). But you all know how it is, and I'm already getting that itch for my next purchase. In a perfect world I would be able to just go get a new 1911, but I don't think I can get what I want for what I want to spend right now, and I'm not really eager to buy a base gun and build it up over the next year. So I've been looking at a lot of these military surplus guns....

    Only thing is, I'm not really sure what I'm looking at. Could some people that know more then me give me a quick lesson:

    Which ones are viewed as 'classics' or must-have collectors guns (isn't the Makarov or Walther one of these types?)
    Which ones are more likely to be decent shooters/in good shooting shape and have some good life left in them still?
    Which ones to avoid?
    General things I should know?

    Like I said, I'm a new shooter and I can count my collection on two fingers, so it is pretty much open to whatever-- collecting, shooting, handgun, long gun, etc. doesn't matter.

    Basically, if you had $200-$250 to spend on this website (http://www.aimsurplus.com/) what would you get and why?

    Note: I chose this sight b/c it seems like the surplus selection is the same everywhere. If there is something missing that I should be aware of please let me know
     
  2. 1200 meters

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    If you are talking rifles, look at 8 mm Mausers. Pistols look at shooter quality Walther P-38s, PPKs, PPs,CZ-52s just to namme a few. Blitz
     
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    Jordan, try Classic Arms www.classicarms.us . They usually have some decent deals on collector, or near-collector grade rifles.
     
  4. protolith

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    Sig P6

    Buy the Sig P6, You'll thank me.

    I have one, has a little holster wear, mechanically excellent, a smokin deal from AIM, goes band reliably, accurate. If you have small to average hands it will be a comfortable fit. I don't think you could expect a better deal on any Sig.
     
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    I like Mosin-Nagants a lot. They're tough, fairly accurate, cheap to buy and even cheaper to shoot. Mausers are nice rifles, but they aren't quite as cheap as the Mosins. My personal favorite series of surplus rifles is the Lee-Enfield family of rifles, but they aren't all that cheap to shoot, either.

    Here's a good source for more info on military surplus rifles--www.surplusrifle.com.
     
  6. Jordan85

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    Is there any way to get more capacity out of those P6's Protolith?
     
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    all milsurps included?

    yugo SKS and some ammo

    they are going fast, are in some cases brand new. and fire a cheap round. semi auto. and milsurp priced

    pistols?
    a tok, maybe one of the romanian though i havnt price checked those in a while
     
  8. Winchester 73

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    Here is another excellent site on a par with Aim Surplus:
    http://www.southernohiogun.com

    For $250 or less look at M38 Mosin Nagant 7.62x54r
    Yugo 59/66 SKS 7.62x39
    Yugo 59 SKS 7.62X39
    K31 Schimdt Rubin 7.55x55
    2A Enfields 7.62x51 NATO
    4 MK1 Enfields .303 British
    Yugo 24/47 Mauser 8MM Mauser
    Steyr Hungarian M95 8X56R Hungarian
    T38 Turk Mauser 8MM Mauser
    I purchased all of these for $250.00 or a lot less from AIM and SOG.
    Be warned.This can become a addictive habit

    Almost forgot.Get C&R Curio and Relics License.This will allow you to become a FFL 03 Firearms License holder bypassing the gunshops on applicable firearms and have them home delivered.See:
    http://www.surplusrifle.com
    on how to obtain this license.Only $30.00 for 3 years and worth every penny.
     
  9. Jordan85

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    Looks like they have a lot of good stuff, but I can't seem to see prices on anything w/out a ffl or c&r
     
  10. Jordan85

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    I kind of like that SKS. I might just order that.....

    Are those still pretty solid (enough) for shooting still? It's not going to be a mantel piece.....

    What would be considered that guns counterpart?

    What is the difference b/w the SKS and the SKS 59/66?

    Thanks for the help
     
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    My advice: if you're going to collect milsurps, get into reloading, first. Then they all cost the same to shoot! 7.5 Swiss (for your K-31) .303 British (for your Enfield) even 6.5X55 for your awesome Swede, will all cost less to shoot than .308 NATO.

    $200 will get you a good single-stage press setup and several manuals.
     
  12. Jordan85

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    Dave R look at my first post. Already in the mail, lol. Thanx for the advice though.

    I can get the K-31 for about the same as the SKS, and I like the looks of it as well. Is that considered more of a collectors piece than the SKS?
     
  13. protolith

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    Not that I'm aware of.

    You could pay 3 or 4 times as much and get a P226 or Just make your shots count :D

    I also have one of their Walther P1s (alloy P38). Its a little chunkier than the Sig and also 8 shot single stack, but right out of the box it shoots very well. Seems to put lead right where I want it.
     
  14. Winchester 73

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    Thats right Jordan.So apply for the C&R pronto.Even at dealers where you can see prices you can't have them ship direct to you.You'll need a local FFL 01 who will charge a transfer fee ranging from $25 on up.
    So don't procrastinate if you're serious about collecting.Get the C&R.You'll even save on ammo at Midway,Natchez and other big national suppliers.It's a win, win situation.
    The 59/66 came out 7 years later in 1966 and has a grenade launcher making it unavailable in the PR of California.I use my Yugo 59 as my truck gun and keep the 59/66 in the safe.
    See surplus rifle website for the details on all these great Milsurps.
    The K 31 and SKS are about on a par collecting and price wise.K31 generally a little pricier.
     
  15. Jordan85

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    I really would like a p226 or the p225, but I just have so many different directions I could go, I kind of like to expand into something new besides the 'rugged police pistol' type gun category, since my first two purchases already are an XD and an M&P, and while maybe not a Sig, are still good guns.
     
  16. ndolson

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    While I'd love to have some 8mm rifles, the cost of 8mm ammo has risen disproportionally to that of other surplus ammo (which has doubled or even tripled in price over the past two years) and you'll easily spend the cost of the rifle itself in ammo costs for a meager stash.

    The K-31 can also be pricey to shoot...most of the ammo I see for it is at least $.50 a round. I'd say start out with a couple Mosin Nagants...such as a 91/30 and m44. Buy a few tins of surplus 7.62x54R while it's still cheap(ish) and maybe a Yugo SKS.

    That being said. I still want a K31...too many irons in the fire though.
     
  17. Jordan85

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    I kind of like that K-31 too though... and that one is C&R eligible. Is that the type of gun that is going to collect much value as it gets older, or is it just C&R eligible b/c all the serial numbers match??
     
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    Its C&R eligible because over its over 50 years old or a replica of something over 50 years old.There are exceptions such as the CZ 82 Czech pistol(9x18 Makarov)that the BATF recently made eligible.Matching serial numbers are not a factor.As I said go to C&R sites and to BATF to get details.This will keep you busy:


    http://www.atf.treas.gov/
    http://www.cruffler.com/becomingcruffler.html
    http://www.7.62x54r.net/
    http://www.simonov.net/
    http://www.surplusrifle.com/swissk31/index.asp
    http://www.jgsales.com/
     
  19. protolith

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    For the quality of rifle you get with a K-31, you almost can't afford to pass one up. I understand them to be extremely accurate and very well built. If newly manufactured today with the same swiss workmanship you would have to pay in the thousands for the same quality construction.

    The surplus K-31s are it, as the supply dries up the price will only go up.

    The only reason I don't have one now is other purchases keep edging in and I am trying to limit the number of calibers I have to keep stocked.
     
  20. Jordan85

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    Hmmm....without looking at those particular guns (and having visited classicarms before) I'd venture to guess one is chromed and one is not...

    I kid...

    After looking, there is an NRA rated "very good" and "excellent" model. Most likely the "excellent" model has better blueing, wood, and bore...


    Look here for the definitions

    http://www.armchairgunshow.com/Condition-NRA-Guns.htm#modern
     
  22. silverlance

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    Jordan, here's the scoop:

    From AIM, the best deal is the P6/p225. $260

    Overall, the best rifles to get are (the easily available ones):
    M39 Mosin Nagant, Finnish Capture
    Yugo M59/66 SKS Unissued or Excellent condition
    K31 Swiss Walnut Stock VG+ or Excl
    Enfield No. 4 MK 1, 1/2, or 2

    All of these guns are about $250 for good specimens. The M39 might be a little bit more, but you wont regret it.

    All are cheap to reload. The 8mm Mauser however is not.
     
  23. Jordan85

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    thank you for all the advice....

    the only thing is I'll have to find another range to shoot at because the one I go to right now is only for pistols....why does shooting have to be so expensive????:banghead:

    I've already decided I'm getting the SKS b/c I'd like a self-reloading rifle. But I figure, heck, if I can get two quality rifles that may actually appreciate in value for less than the price of either one of my pistols which are depreciating in value, why not???

    But of the three, would you go w/ the M39, the Enfield, or the K-31 and why? I noticed another member had mentioned something about the supply of K-31s running out.... Does that mean that they will be increasing in value??

    Also, what are some good websites to check out. The best ones I've came across so far are:

    http://www.classicarms.us/index.html
    http://www.samcoglobal.com/rifles.html
    http://www.southernohiogun.com/
     
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