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Mills Bombs

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by BigG, Oct 16, 2007.

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  1. BigG

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    Mills Bombs -

    Gotta love the British. We yanks have a hand grenade (hang grenade) or pineapple or frag but if you read British war lit you will see reference to Mills Bombs, as in "Too right! I took out that bleedin Jerry machinegun nest with a well placed Mills bomb, I did, old mate!"

    I had to look it up to make sure it was a hand grenade they were talking about. What I want to know, is why can't British guys just speak English?

    Any other funny names for weaponry you've come across it Brit Lit?

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Jim Watson

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    The British liked to give things the name of the designer or source.
    STEN = Shepherd + Turpin + ENfield.
    Bren = BRno + ENfield
    Livens Projector = WW I gas bomb launcher designed by Captain Livens, Royal Engineers.
    Probably a hundred more.
     
  3. BigG

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    Too bad most of the stuff is comparative junk. The British Tommies fought valiantly with very substandard equipment, imho, except the ones who fought with US provided equipment, including sporting guns donated by US shooters.
     
  4. CWL

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    Yet the British carved out an Empire that hasn't been matched with "very substandard equiptment". It isn't just the weaponry that wins battles and wars, the British soldier had a fighting spirit that allowed them to stand in line and be charged by thousands of crazed Zulus, Pathans, Maoris, Dervishes, etc. and not run.

    As for military technology, the Brits invented radios, jet engines, battleships, radar, television, the first military aircraft, tanks...
     
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  5. El Tejon

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    I thought the British referred to Mills bombs as "pineapples" as well?:confused:
     
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    My fave is the PIAT - Projector, Infantry, Anti Tank. Cocked by putting your feet in stirrups on the gun and hauling back the cocking handle with both hands. Imagine that.
     
  7. BigG

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    Very true. Especially when the ship behind them was hosing the sword wielding hordes down with machinegun and naval gun fire. See the fight against Dervishes for one example.
     
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    If you're confused as to why they didn't develop an electrically fired rocket launcher the way we did, you're clearly unfamiliar with British automobiles and their electrical systems...
     
  9. BigG

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    Lord Lucas was probably working on that electrical projector for the Brits. ;)
     
  10. CWL

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    Yes, but weren't they "very substandard" machineguns? ;)
     
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    >why can't British guys just speak English?

    *coff* *coff*

    By definition the British guys do speak English.

    Off topic : Reminds me of the USA fellow who told me the stuff on my Land-Rover is not Africa-ready... erm... excuse me? (looks around) Looks like Africa to me...
     
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    So are all South Africans immune to ironic humor? :neener:
     
  13. BigG

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    Nyuk nyuk nyuk

    Actually, no. Back in those hoary days, they used the real McCoy MAXIM before they pirated the design and called it the Vickers. ;) That was invented and produced by AMERICAN Hiram Maxim.
     
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    Oh, you mean SIR Hiram Maxim, born in the USA but Brittish by nationality. He invented the Maxim machinegun in England using funds provided by Vickers, the machinegun was first adopted by the Brittish Army.

    edit to add: The Maxim was the first machinegun if you don't include the Gatling gun or the French Mitrailleuse, which were mechanical repeaters.
     
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    Deanimator wrote:..."If you're confused as to why they didn't develop an electrically fired rocket launcher the way we did, you're clearly unfamiliar with British automobiles and their electrical systems..."...

    Too true, that is why Lucas is called the Prince of Darkness and the Brits drink warm beer because of Lucas refridgeration.

    There was nothing substandard at the time about the Martine-Henry single shot falling block rifles. Nor was there anything substandard at the time about Webbley .455 pistols.

    The Brits did tend to keep arms long after better and newer designs were available.
     
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    C'mon, funny Brit name for a weapon?

    Brown Bess
     
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    Another gun invented by a Yank - look up Peabody. The last truly British weapon was probably the Brown Bess musket. Even the Smelly was an American product - look up James Paris Lee.

    The Browning HP; the BRNO was a Czech LMG. They even had M1 Garands and Thompsons and good old Colt .45 Autos, given as largesse by good natured Americans.
     
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    Churchill & Kennedy

    True story:

    President John Kennedy and Sir Winston Churchill were having coffee after some diplomatic meeting or other, and the subject of the American and British pronunciations of the word "schedule" came up.

    "Why is it," asked Churchill, "that you say 'SKED-ule' and I say 'SHED-ule'?"

    Kennedy replied, "I suppose it's because we went to different SHOOLS..."
     
  19. Mk VII

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    many contemporary texts refer to the Stokes mortar as the Stokes Gun.
    'Bomb' for grenade seems to have dropped out by WW2, although mortar shells continue to be mortar bombs here (and quite right, too).
    Amuses us to hear US 'artillerists' (what sort of a word is that, anyway?) calling artillery 'cannons'. That's like calling the USS New Jersey a boat.
     
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    BigG, I am LMAO at that one. I hope there are a fair number of people who catch your meaning. Remember this one, "Why did Lucas Electrical not build TV's? They could not figure how to make one leak oil"

    Lucas would have needed to sub the work out to Bosch to get the the thing to work.
     
  21. BigG

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    I really like the Brits, but 1066 and all that. King William and the rest of those guys if they can see really probably got a problem with their progeny. ;>
     
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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrapnel

    The word shrapnel is derived from the name of Major-General Henry Shrapnel (1761–1842), an English artillery officer, whose experiments—initially conducted in his own time, and at his own expense—culminated in the design and development of a new type of artillery shell.
     
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    The Mills bomb was called the Mills bomb because that's what its designer (William Mills) called it. The official army designation was "hand grenade No.5" (or hand grenade No.23, No.36 or No.36M depending on variant).

    No British servicemen have ever fought with sporting guns donated by US shooters (at least not officially, it's possible some British officer was sent an American revolver by his American uncle or some such).

    We did :)

    I think you'd be hard pressed to decide which was the better weapon, the PIAT or the bazooka. Both had roughly equal penetrative power (both being woefully inadequate). The bazooka had a longer range and was lighter but was usually slower to reload, longer, and couldn't be used in tight spaces. It also required a second person to load. I'd say the bazooka was better in open countryside, but the PIAT was superior in urban enviroments. The German antitank weapons were far superior, however.

    The Maxim machinegun was designed by British national Sir Hiram Maxim. Webley and Adams revolvers were British, as were the Webley semi-auto pistols and numerous other early (both BP and metallic cartridge) revolvers. The Sten gun was a British design, as was the PIAT and numerous tank, aircraft, anti-tank, and artillery guns. The L85 assault rifle, the Accuracy International bolt and semi-automatic rifles, the Parker Hale M82, the Parker Hale PDW and the Britpistol.

    The M1 Garand has never seen British service.
     
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    According to the US National Rifle Association it has. They have examples of M1s with British proofing and painted red around the ejection area cautioning to use US 30 cal.

    Many of us have seen the famous picutres of the pudgy bulldog with his Tommy Gun and cigar. Also, according to his memoirs he had a trusty Colt .45 Auto next to his bed, Yank guns both. ;)
     
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    So... the PIAT was basically a crossbow firing a rocket?
     
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