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MIM Kimbers? Naw, you don't say. [PICS]

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by esheato, Mar 28, 2004.

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  1. esheato

    esheato Member

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    From the thread "A Reloader is Born," I introduced my new reloading/gun nut friend Austin.

    This is his story.

    Kimber Pro Eclipse. Purchased approximately a month ago. He has taken it shooting twice, both times I was with him. This gun has under 500 rounds through it. To say the least he was pretty upset.

    Can you find out what's wrong with it?

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    Needless to say, Kimber is getting a call on Monday.

    Ed
     
  2. Sean Smith

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    Colts come with forged slide stops. :D
     
  3. Jim K

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    You mean you actually expect those clones to work? Hah!!

    Call the cutie in customer service who will carefully explain why their slide stops are supposed to be in two pieces.

    Jim
     
  4. tc300mag1

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    Not good .. but kimber is getting a call monday what good will that do? If they send ya the part It will be the same thing. Granted i would be super pissed myself and would call to rant. But in the end would buy a better replacment part.
     
  5. Josey

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    Ed Brown.
     
  6. Josey

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    I bet the safety is MIM too. Two things to get from Ed Brown. Ambi?
     
  7. SouthpawShootr

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    I'm practically speechless. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. Kimber will give him a new slide stop. Have him put it aside in case he ever sells the gun, then tell him to go out and get Wilson, Ed Brown, or somebody of similar stature. I don't keep alot of spare parts around for my 1911s, but as one of them is a Kimber, maybe I should.
     
  8. Gewehr98

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    Boy, I'd like to hear from those here on THR...

    Who worship at the altar of MIM. :scrutiny:
     
  9. natedog

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    $1,052. $1,052. This should not be happening on a pistol that costs $1,052. This should not be happening on a pistol that costs $400.
     
  10. Old Fuff

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    Well maybe ya should have listened to Tuner. He has several more that look like that.

    The next question is, how many other parts are made the same way? I would suspect the extractor, hammer, sear, disconector, manual safety, grip safety, mainspring housing, firing pin plate, and recoil spring guide and plug for starters. Of course you know about the slide stop. Look at the metal(?) where it’s cracked and notice how course the grain structure is.

    Actually I don’t mean to rant, and I do feel sorry this happened to your friend. It’s not a good way to introduce someone to firearms. The only good thing is, that it didn’t happen at a critical time. Sometimes God looks after us. Plus it reminds me again why I build my own guns using my own parts.

    Trust in Ol’ Tuner ... He’ll tell you what to get. Don’t think I’d try replacing a Kimber part with another one of the same ...
     
  11. Gewehr98

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    I'm sure the MIM apologists will say...

    "Look at the picture, even when broken, that MIM slide stop is holding the slide back like it was supposed to!" :evil:
     
  12. stans

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    Oh yeah, that's one of those tricked out two piece slide stops. People pay real big bucks for those things!:rolleyes:
     
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    I think i see what's wrong with it..........



















    it says.....







    KIMBER on it

    :evil: :what:
     
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    "Look at the picture, even when broken, that MIM slide stop is holding the slide back like it was supposed to!"


    Gewehr98 thats To funny almost sprayed the Monitor with milk from my milk and cookies
     
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    I have over 16,000 (That isn't a typo, sixteenthousand) rounds through my Kimber Custom II and my MIM slidestop lever is still in one piece.:rolleyes:

    I had a Colt some years back that managed to break its slidestop and its barrel link in less than 8,000 rounds. Poop happens.
     
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    Thats why i dont buy pistols over 500 dollars.:neener:

    But seriously that sucks..dont even bother with the replacement they send..just get some ed brown parts, and never think of it again.
     
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    Just out of curiosity: is it a Pro Eclipse II or a series I?

    My Kimber never did any of that, but I do like the fact that my Colt comes with better parts off the shelf.
     
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    Sintered metal splinters! Time to look at the heat treatment process or if they're too cheap to go with forged, go with investment casted.
     
  19. esheato

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    I believe it's a Series II.

    It sucks pretty bad when you pay over a thousand dollars for a gun, and you get severe parts breakage like this.

    Cosmetic flaws are one thing, but to have metal break in half. There's some serious cheapskates over at Kimber.

    Ed
     
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    Guess he won't be defending himself with a Kimber anytime soon unless it's on a whirling, short section of rope.
     
  21. Tamara

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    You mean Colt, Kimber, and everybody else making 1911's these days are using materials shortcuts? Say it ain't so. If you get a 1911 with everything made to the original specs with the original materials, you'll pay well north of the kilobuck mark. Fact of life. The gun just wasn't designed with modern wage scales in mind when it came to production, so companies have to take shortcuts on materials.

    There are plenty of places on the 1911 where castings, plastic, or MIM can take the place of machined steel parts. The slide stop, in my opinion, is not one of them. :uhoh:
     
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    I'll take my Springfield GI 1911 any day over a Kimber.
     
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    I'm in shock over this whole episode....


    :D :D :D :D :D
     
  24. wally

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    IF they use parts like this in the safety, maybe its a good thing the gun makers indemnity law got killed when the AWB renewal got tacked on!

    I had to replace the slide stop on my Colt Government Model when it was new, it didn't break, but it didn't work either -- randomly locking the slide back with ammo in the mag. Swapping it with the one in my Norinco made the problem swap guns, so I tossed it and bought a replacement.

    Bad parts are bad parts, everybody makes them from time to time, forged or not. That's why we need to shoot 200-300 rounds in a new gun before counting on it. Call it "breaking in" or "screeing for infant mortality failures", but I'm happiest when a new gun has no problems out of the box! (but who isn't :)

    I see enough of these problem reports with expensive guns that it reinforces my qualms about buying guns priced much over $500.

    --wally.
     
  25. wally

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    Is the gun really locked up and now non-functional?

    I'm curious. Looking at the photos again, I wonder if inserting a fresh mag and pulling the slide back to reload wouldn't shoot the next mag normally. Of course the slide won't lock back any more afterwards and the "pin" may walk out with continued shooting, but looks like the weapon should still be functional for the ammo in a few spare mags if you really needed it.

    Still agree that it shouldn't happen, but is this really a "critical failure"? OTOH one can argue any failure is critical, I wouldn't strongly disagree, but things break, 'tis a fact of life.

    --wally.
     
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