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Mine ball lublication

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by sandy4570, Aug 10, 2003.

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  1. sandy4570

    sandy4570 Member

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    What the location on mini ball that need to be lube?.I have read very confusing information that some did not lube the mini ball at all, some only on the groove , some pack the crisco under the hollow base of minie ball ? Does crisco on the hollow base suppose to interfere with minie 's skirt expanding and griping the rifling?
     
  2. dfariswheel

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    I always lubed the base with a commercial black powder grease.
    I didn't see any difference when I tried putting lube in the grooves.

    Lubing the base only, gave excellent accuracy in my older Parker Hale Musketoon with the Lyman 565 gr Mine ball.
     
  3. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    I've used SPG lube on the grooves of my minie (Parker Hale mould) and fired sixty consecutive shots with the last going in as easily as the first. Crisco is only good for cooler weather. If it's hot, your minies will run and if you roll your own cartridges, it gets messy.
     
  4. Rafter-S

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    It's been a bunch of years, but my experience was every rifle had its own likes and dislikes regarding powder charge, lubrication, the shape and weight of the mine bullet, and where to put the lube. But nearly all shot better with lube of some kind. My old Mississippi Rifle shot best (most accurately) with a commercial mini bullet lube from Blue and Gray--just put a dab in the hollow base.

    Rafter-S
     
  5. Whitworth

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    .........These things are individuals, so you have to try different things, and that's part of the fun, right? I have a P58 2 band 58 cal Enfield with a Parker-Hale barrel. It's a 5 groove 48" twist with progressive depth grooves. When I got the rifle, I asked a buddy to help me out. His nickname at the range was 3 Band Bob. He was a good guy to know when starting out with rifled muskets :)!

    He was a strict adherant to the KISS principle, and the first words out of his mouth were, "The Minie' MUST fit the lands. Otherwise all the rest of it is worthless." Luckily the lands of my rifle were .580" and the mould I'd ordered along with it (Ly 577213 P-H) dropped right at that. I was given a Lyman 575213 Old Style and these dropped at 575". These practicly fell down the barrel ans shot like crap.

    Next was to find out WHERE the rifle wanted the lube. Another guy had said to get Bore Butter, so that's what I had. Bob said Crisco would probably work too. So for my rifle, lube in the base cavity is where it shoots best. When lubing the grooves, or grooves AND the base opened things up a noticeable amount. Also, what's nice is that lubing the cavity is easy :). Be sure that your Minie' bullets are well cast and without voids. You don't want crappy results because your bullets aren't up to snuff.

    What I also found out is that my rifle is sensitive to lube quality AND quantity. Using the Lyman 566gr P-H Minie' with it's small cavity, if I used straight Bore Butter, I can shoot almost all day. A similar bullet I have is the Raphine 580gr Pritchit. If I use Crisco with these I'll get off maybe 5 shots or so before the slug becomes tough to run home and accuracy sours. You want the bullet to run down the barrel with a light smooth effort of the ramrod to end up with consistant pressure on the charge.

    On the other hand, using the Lee 505 traditional Minie' with it's generous cavity I CAN use Crisco and shoot for a long time. I've reached a compromise of sorts by streatching out the expensive Bore Butter with cheap Crisco. This normally works well until I reach the point where I have to scrap the breechface. Since these rifled Muskets operate at comparatively low pressure, you WILL get some fouling on the breech face which is cumulative (SP?). It builds up which will affect ignition.

    This lube wierdness may be due to the Enfield's bore form. Friend Bob has an original London Armory P53 3 band Enfield amonge others. It has 3 lands/grooves of progressive depth but a twist of 78". He seems to be able to get by with Crisco regardless. One day we took turns loading (Lee 505gr, 45gr 3F) and shooting that thing at the 200 meter gong, and it got HOT! Misses were very rare indeed, and it loaded easy and smooth for what must have been close to 50 rounds. Anyway, it was a bunch of shooting. We quit when he ran out of caps.

    There are lots of superb lubes out there. I just mentioned Bore Butter because that's what I started with and it has worked really well for me. Other friends use Young Country, Ox Yoke, or Blue and Gray with great results.

    .............Rick
     
  6. Poodleshooter

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    I've been using Crisco in the grooves, but my accuracy hasn't been up to par. Are you guys seeing actual problems from lubing the grooves of minie's and maxiballs with Crisco? I've heard stories about rifling failing to grab as well due to excess crisco, but wasn't sure about the truth of that.
     
  7. sandy4570

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    Thank every one for the information .I will experiment with both bore butter and crisco and see which one is the right lube for my musket.
     
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