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Minié ball lubing

Discussion in 'Blackpowder' started by Fred West, Aug 8, 2008.

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  1. Fred West

    Fred West Member

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    When lubing minié balls is there any advantage in packing the base with lube, indeed is it advisable? I've heard conflicting views on this so thought I'd ask here and see if I can get a definitive answer.

    I've just bought a Euroarms 2-band Enfield and will be shooting it on Sunday for the first time. I've cast some bullets and lubed them with a 50/50 beeswax and lard mix. I haven't filled the base yet though.

    Fred.
     
  2. OFT

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    I've tried both ways and couldn't see any appreciable difference in accuracy. Stuffing the base full of lube was messier and seemed to keep the fowling a little softer. I seldom shoot a minie much any more but when I do I don't fill the base cavity.
     
  3. sharps59

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    Fred
    Go to the N-SSA board and ask there too.
    I use a inside out side luber from Notheast trade Co. Put it on a coffee cup warmer to melt the mix. the Mix I use is 50/50 Beeswax/ olive oil. I adjust the mix depending on time of year.:banghead:
     
  4. scrat

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    i just lube them with bore butter. havent had any problems with them
     
  5. Steve499

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    My last range session with my 1861 Springfield, I fired some of the best groups I've ever shot with it and I was lubing the grooves as well as filling the base level with the same lube Sharps59 mentioned. I'm not prepared to credit the improved shooting to the lube filled base, though. I'm sure going to try it some more and perhaps with a little more comparison I'll have a better idea about it. I can say that it certainly didn't have any obvious drawbacks on the range. I doubt if I'd want to leave a load of that type a great long time in the barrel while hunting. I'd be afraid of powder contamination even though that beeswax/olive oil combo seems to be fairly benign to powder.
     
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    I fill the grease grooves and the base of my Minie balls with lube and the rifle shoots very well. I have shot some five shot groups within 2 inches at 100 yards.

    I do not know what is the down side.

    I really don't know if you can have too much lube in the thing.
     
  7. sharps59

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    base lube

    for my first 10 years shooting in the N-SSA all I used was crisco in the base only. never had a problem always good accuracy in cold or hot weather. no fold musket no cook offs. For the last 10 yrs I have been useing the inside outside
    luber that was given to me. :banghead:
     
  8. Fred West

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    Thanks for all the advice fellas, very helpful.

    I'll go along with that, it can only help.

    Cheers
    Fred.
     
  9. 4v50 Gary

    4v50 Gary Moderator Staff Member

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    I use SPG and lube only the sides of my minies. To me, lubing the base is a waste of lube. Remember, the skirt has to flare out for the minie to take hold of the lands. What function would the lube serve on a base?

    Experiment and see for yourself. I doubt if you, like member Oft, can find any difference other than you use your lube up faster.
     
  10. sharps59

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    Know guys that still just lube the base w/ crisco and get the same groups and performance that I do. Its all what works for you. the purpose of lube is not to lube the round you are loading but to keep the fouling soft for the next round you load. So when lubing the base only the lube is melting and mixing w/ the powder resadue fouling as comes up the barrel. w/ a wrong lube or a hot dry day the fouling half way down the barrel can be soft and moist.while the fouling at the end of the barrel can be hard and dry. :banghead:
    w/ what i use I can get 15-20 rounds off w/o lossing accuracy or having a loading problem. before the next group of rounds all I do is brush out the barrel. and maybe use a breach scraper.
     
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    Have a 1863 Remington Zouave .58, I only lube the lube grooves and that's plenty. I have made some tracer rounds by putting a Wax based lube in the skirt of the minnie and pressing BP granuales into the wax lube, being it's somewhat stiff it holds the BP there. When loaded on a charge and fired...you can watch the smoke trail all the way to impact 200-300yds.
    We used um on a rainy day one winter standing in the Pistol house waitin' for it to let up. We're a Muzzleloadin' Siloutte shootin' group. It killed some time, and me and my Zouave had some fun.

    SG
     
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    SG that sounds so cool going to have to try that
     
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    Scrat it'll make ya smile:what:

    SG
     
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    do you think the lube in the base would create a more consistent and even flare of the skirt into the rifling, making for a better seal, also improving shot to shot velocity consistency and overall... the accuracy? maybe kind of a fluid movement pushing the skirt into the rifling, while with no lube it might slam the led into the rifling, smushing it and creating uneven thicknesses of the skirt and irregular flight due to unbalanced bullet? just throwing out ideas bout how it might work
     
  15. 4v50 Gary

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    Want flaming minie balls? Do with the Confederates did. They stuffed turepentine soaked cotton into the base of their minies. When fired, the burning gases ignited the cotton and those minies would set the cotton bales they were fired into aflame. See the bedtime stories thread because I'll a first hand account there later today.
     
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    wow so cool. Hey Gary Where you getting spg lube i heard thats actually really good for bp
     
  17. 4v50 Gary

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    here's some links to get spg, take your pick

    Dillon Precision Link or Midway or Cabelas of if you, you can try rolling your own with the recipe given here. Note, I haven't tried the last.
     
  18. scrat

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    hey that recipe looks do able
     
  19. 4v50 Gary

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    The learn more about the flamable minies read TheFiringLine thread Rambling Anecdotes right Here

    Scrat, if you try that lube recipe, please share the results.
     
  20. 4v50 Gary

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    Cut and pasted from the link above:
     
  21. scrat

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    will do
     
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    Personally I've never put lube in the base of my Minies. I pan lube mine using SPG & generally fill all lube grooves, & I've never had problems with fouling.
    I shoot MLAIC (International) Muzzleloading, & I recently returned from the MLAIC World Championships & I can honestly say that I didn't see any Minies there that had lube in their bases. In fact some of the shooters use a decreasing amount of lube on their bullets, that is the first few shots fired may have all grooves filled, but the subsequent minies may only have two, or even one, groove lubed. The guys I spoke to about this said that they find that the bores get too slick if all the minies are fully lubed. I use Cream of Wheat between powder & Minie, so that might help alleviate the lube build-up they are concerned about. Bare in mind that in MLAIC competition military-style arms (muskets, rifle-muskets) cannot have their bores wiped between shots, & we shoot thirteen shots on paper (best ten to score), plus one or two fouling shots fired into backstop.
     
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    no rattle snake here in the UK.

    similar double boiler method

    1 part bees wax

    2 parts lard(rendered animal fat)

    2 parts candle wax

    and a shot of bio diesel (Veg coocking oil the same)

    good lube/barrel cleaner

    ps makes boots waterproof
     
  24. scrat

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    Over the summer i experimented with some lube. I came up with a combo of 60% beeswax, 35% olive oil 5% lanolin hand lotion. i would slowly melt the bees wax in a pot very low flame. As soon as it was melted i poured in the olive oil. Then mixed thoroughly. last thing i put in was the lanolin. Now up to this point the smell was ok and everything. You get a little reaction with the lanolin. then i let it all cool down once i mixed it up well. This i found a lot better in dealing with the heat. less resistant to melting in the heat. Now you will have to warm it up to lube bullets with but seems to work very good and prevents a lot of fouling and leading.
     
  25. Smilin Jack

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    Lubing minnie balls

    I've been shooting the Lyman 577611 minnie for years. Got the mold from Lyman years ago.
    By trial and error, figured out that lubing the base and grooves works best to keep the fouling down.
    On warm days, the crisco/beeswax tends to melt and produces hang fires. Started using a felt over powder wad, then the greased minnie, with a cereal box cardboard wad over the minnie to keep it in place. Without the cardboard wad, the minnie tends to slide down the barrell when using the trail carry out hunting. This isn't good.
    For hunting, the bore butter lube seems better than crisco/beeswax, as it seems to build up a coating, similar to my dutch oven and cast iron skillet when it's seasoned.
    Don't think it really matters what lube is used, but do think the minnie skirt expands better when filled with lube. Must be the hydraulic action of the filled base pushing the skirt out to fill the bore.

    Dave
     
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