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Minn. DEMOCRATS attack new carry law

Discussion in 'Legal' started by F4GIB, May 9, 2003.

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  1. F4GIB

    F4GIB Member

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    MPPA Under attack

    Repost Far and Wide (e-mail ALERT from Minnesota CCRN)

    OK they just won’t stop. The Senate DFL is determined to screw gun owners. The fight continues until midnight on May 19.

    It is time to light up the phone again. The MPPA hasn’t even taken affect yet and the opposition is using Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (FUD) on our supporters. They are saying:

    That all permit to carry holders are just criminal in training and that we will at one point or another misuses our permits and firearms. This is so incredibly insulting that I cannot even begin to express my contempt.

    What they cannot accomplish through the issuing process they are now going to try and accomplish through limiting venues (place were firearms are not allowed). Cities and municipalities are requesting the authority to “Post†their “facilitiesâ€. This wording is very important. If a city can post its facilities it can essentially ban permits to carry since it will be argued that streets and sidewalks are city facilities. Now they are saying they only concerned about “City Hall†or the “Rec†center, and but at least two cities have already openly said they don’t care what the legislature says they will ban permits on city property anyway.

    It truly is unconceivable that such behavior should be rewarded.

    You must act now and call and write our supporters in the senate. We ahve to keep up the pressure for the next 10 days until they ajourn. Tell them the following:

    1. Permit Holders do not deserve to be treated like second class citizens

    2. That allowing cities to do as they please will create a disaster that no one will be able to follow.

    3. That gun control advocates have to scare you now because by next February (when the permit to carry report comes out) and as in the past no permit holder has done anything wrong their argument goes away.

    4. That the reason public property cannot and should not be posted is because it belongs to the public. Cities have a monopoly on all kinds of activities and services. Permit holders cannot vote with their dollars or go anywhere else for many of these services. They will therefore be treated terribly.

    5. Look at the facts, not the fear, not the uncertainly, look at the facts. Permit holders do not misbehave.

    We need to get on this right now. Call and e-mail. At this time E-mail is probably better because they are spending a lot of time in session where they have their computers and read their e-mails.

    sen.leroy.stumpf@senate.mn
    sen.rod.skoe@senate.mn
    sen.david.tomassoni@senate.mn
    sen.tom.bakk@senate.mn
    sen.keith.langseth@senate.mn
    mary.bebus@senate.mn
    sen.tom.saxhaug@senate.mn
    sen.daniel.sparks@senate.mn
    sen.gary.kubly@senate.mn

    sen.carrie.ruud@senate.mn
    sen.cal.larson@senate.mn
    sen.paul.koering@senate.mn
    sen.michelle.fischbach@senate.mn
    sen.dave.kleis@senate.mn
    sen.betsy.wergin@senate.mn
    sen.sean.nienow@senate.mn
    sen.steve.dille@senate.mn
    sen.mark.ourada@senate.mn
    sen.dennis.frederickson@senate.mn
    sen.julie.rosen@senate.mn
    sen.thomas.neuville@senate.mn
    sen.dick.day@senate.mn
    sen.david.senjem@senate.mn
    sen.bob.kierlin@senate.mn
    sen.warren.limmer@senate.mn
    sen.gen.olson@senate.mn
    sen.julianne.ortman@senate.mn
    sen.claire.robling@senate.mn
    sen.pat.pariseau@senate.mn
    sen.david.knutson@senate.mn
    sen.geoff.michel@senate.mn
    sen.david.hann@senate.mn
    sen.david.gaither@senate.mn
    sen.michael.jungbauer@senate.mn
    sen.debbie.johnson@senate.mn
    sen.michele.bachmann@senate.mn
    sen.mady.reiter@senate.mn
    sen.brian.leclair@senate.mn
    sen.bill.belanger@senate.mn
    sen.mike.mcginn@senate.mn
    sen.sheilia.kiscaden@senate.mn

    Stumpf, LeRoy A. DFL (651) 296-8660
    Skoe, Rod DFL (651) 296-4196
    Tomassoni, David J. DFL (651) 296-8017
    Bakk, Thomas M. DFL (651) 296-8881
    Langseth, Keith DFL (651) 296-3205
    Sams, Dallas C . DFL (651) 297-8063
    Saxhaug, Tom DFL (651) 296-4136
    Sparks, Dan DFL (651) 296-9248
    Kubly, Gary W. DFL (651) 296-5094
    Vickerman, Jim DFL (651) 296-5650
    Ruud, Carrie L. R (651) 296-4913
    Larson, Cal R (651) 296-5655
    Koering, Paul E. R (651) 296-4875
    Fischbach, Michelle L. R (651) 296-2084
    Kleis, Dave R (651) 296-6455
    Wergin, Betsy L. R (651) 296-8075
    Nienow, Sean R. R (651) 296-5419
    Dille, Steve R (651) 296-4131
    Ourada, Mark R (651) 296-5981
    Frederickson, Dennis R. R (651) 296-8138
    Rosen, Julie A. R (651) 296-5713
    Neuville, Thomas M. R (651) 296-1279
    Day, Dick R (651) 296-9457
    Senjem, David H. R (651) 296-3903
    Kierlin, Bob R (651) 296-5649
    Limmer, Warren R (651) 296-2159
    Olson, Gen R (651) 296-1282
    Ortman, Julianne E. R (651) 296-4837
    Robling, Claire A. R (651) 296-4123
    Pariseau, Pat R (651) 296-5252
    Knutson, David L. R (651) 296-4120
    Michel, Geoff R (651) 296-6238
    Hann, David R (651) 296-1749
    Gaither, David R (651) 296-4314
    Jungbauer, Michael J. R (651) 296-3733
    Johnson, Debbie J. R (651) 296-3219
    Bachmann, Michele R (651) 296-4351
    Reiter, Mady R (651) 296-1253
    LeClair, Brian R (651) 296-4166
    Belanger, Jr., William V. R (651) 296-5975
    McGinn, Mike R (651) 297-8073
    Sheila Kiscaden Ind (651) 287-6845
     
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  2. Standing Wolf

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  3. SteelyDan

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    I'm at a loss on this one. In Minnesota, cities possess only those powers that are delegated to them by the legislature (or implicitly related thereto). In this case, it seems to me the legislature has spoken quite clearly:

    Subd. 23. [EXCLUSIVITY.] This section sets forth the complete and exclusive criteria and procedures for the issuance of permits to carry and establishes their nature and scope. No sheriff, police chief, governmental unit, government official, government employee, or other person or body acting under color of law or governmental authority may change, modify, or supplement these criteria or procedures, or limit the exercise of a permit to carry.

    I'm not the final word on this, but as far as I can tell, any city that tries to establish more restrictive standards is just asking for trouble. The city council members just figure it's good publicity; if the city gets sued, so what, the taxpayers pay the costs of their defense; they probably won't get sued personally (don't bet on it); even if they do get sued personally, the monetary damages, if they lose, will be about zero (probably true); and it's nearly impossible to recover punitive damages against individual council members (it is possible, but difficult). I love how they take an oath to uphold the law, unless they think they can score some points with voters by violating it.
     
  4. Pendragon

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    This should give us all an insight into what would happen if we did get a sweeping, Roe v. Wade style ruling in favor of the 2ndA.

    The left is only interested in the law when it suits their purposes - if not, they will usurp, obstruct, lie cheat, steal, etc.

    Same thing seems to be going on in Denver.

    Personally, I like to see it. Make 'em show everyone what they are all about.
     
  5. cobb

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    "The left is only interested in the law when it suits their purposes - if not, they will usurp, obstruct, lie cheat, steal, etc."

    Aw, come on now. You know they only do what is considered sensible and for the children.:rolleyes:
     
  6. hd1.

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    Were there any Democrats supporting the carry law in Minn?
    Were there any Republicans against the carry law in Minn?

    Here in Michigan, several Dems worked hard to get our "shall-issue law passed.
    Here in Michigan, several Reps were against our "shall-issue" law, while others gave luke-warm support.

    The issue of self-defense crossed party lines, both For and Anti.
     
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