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Minnesota gun laws

Discussion in 'Legal' started by .cheese., Feb 2, 2009.

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  1. .cheese.

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    I know nothing about Minnesota other than its residents are often human popsicles.

    Just out of curiosity, how are the gun laws there? Any specific laws in Minneapolis or St. Paul?

    State level AWB? Open carry? etc. etc.

    Indulge my curiosity please.
     
  2. X-Rap

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    Check out the NRA web site they have a good data base of state laws.
     
  3. .cheese.

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    I just read the PDF from the NRA-ILA. Unfortunately, it's dated 2005.

    Anything newer?
     
  4. X-Rap

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    Other than searching the state code I don't know of any single database that holds that info.
    My uncle lives there and through him I am not aware of any major legislation since the RTC came to be.
    AW and highcaps are allowed, Open carry might be OK but I think it requires a permit and for sure if non res. Quite a few states are reciprical though not Co.:mad:
     
  5. .cheese.

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    It's cool. Maybe some members here live there and could chime in. The PDF detailing the laws as of 2005 seemed not bad.

    No NFA with maybe the exception of suppressors, but other than that it seemed ok.
     
  6. .cheese.

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    I have found online articles about Minnesota in the past trying to pass their own AWB, and I found a site online that seems to be dedicated to pushing that forward.
     
  7. jfh

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    1. To purchase a hand gun and / or an EBR you need a FID if purchasing from an FFL.

    2. If you have a carry permit, you need no FID, and transactions are instantaneous.

    3. IIRC, no restrictions on FTF transfers, if otherwise legal.

    4. There is statewide pre-emption, with limitations for gov't, etc.

    5. Carry permit is good for 5 years, and is shall-issue.

    6. You may open carry, but it is not generally done.

    7. Posting may be done by businesses, but generally these signs have disappeared except for those businesses still wishing to make an ideological statement.

    8. There may still be some "friction" about CC and hunting laws--but I think these may have been sorted out.

    The state follows the typical political stereotypes--e.g., the "Metro Area" are the hotbeds of liberalism, as are most "College Towns," but not all (outstate) Democrats are gun-grabbers. There will be a new set of gun-grabber laws introduced, in accordance with the national hysteria, but I have heard of none that are particularly going anywhere. The humungous debate we had prior to passage (and re-passage) of our new shall-carry law seems to have de-fanged the blood-in-the-streets crowd.

    FWIW, I carry daily, and have no issues other than the fact that the medical services I go to are posted--but, I noted that the last time I went, they may not be.

    Twincitiescarry.com is a good forum for state firearms issues overall.

    Jim H.
     
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    So you only need an FID for purchase, not if bringing guns already owned with you upon a move to Minn?
     
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    .cheese, I think you are correct re needing only the FID to purchase--but, in all honesty, I am a bit rusty.

    That 2005 synopsis you referenced earlier should be current, AFAICT--we've had no major legislation passed in several years; about the only tweak going on is this hunting laws / carry laws subject--and I think that got sorted out last year.

    Several of us do follow the yearly bill introductions. Right now, they are the typical ones. Note that MN is trending left again, from the typical left-center. If we get a Democrat governor in another two years, all bets are off.

    Jim H.
     
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    Just to add that when you get a permit to purchase, they give you a little snippet of MN law that says something like 'a citizen has the right to carry firearms openly in the feilds and on the open waters of the state', or something like that.

    It's kind of vague what they mean, but no one carries openly unless you are in the woods. I like to bum around on the Mississippi river islands near my home carrying openly.

    Target shooting and open carry are not permitted in the many refuges.

    Nothing other than a .22lr in the woods during deer season unless you are actively hunting.
     
  11. PocketProtector642

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    "jfh" pretty much nailed it. A couple of things though. OC is semi-common. The bigger thing is that a posted business in MN only means... nothing. The law states:

    MN624.714
    Short: you can be asked (by any owner posted or not) to leave. If you are dumb enough not to leave it costs $25.
     
  12. PocketProtector642

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    If I'm not mistaken, I think this changed. Dont quote me but look into it.
     
  13. thebaldguy

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    Human popsicles is pretty close. Especially in the winter.

    One interesting law is that you cannot have a firearm stored in the car unless you are going to/from hunting or a range. You can't really legally have a trunk gun. But you can store your handgun in the trunk if you have a CCW permit.

    Here's another Minnesota firearm related site.

    http://www.mnguntalk.com/
     
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    Really? where did you see this? I've never heard it before.

    MN gun laws are fabulous. We have "permit to carry." There's nothing in there about "conceal". If you have a permit, you can leave your gun in the car anyplace. The signs banning carry have no legal weight. In fact, trespass laws are tougher on people who are not carrying. If asked to leave because you stink, the fine is bigger than if asked to leave because you are armed. Bottom line - MN-nice rules the day. My wife carries openly, and she's heard a couple of snide comments, but nothing too mean or out-loud.
     
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    I'm living in WV now and I am in ENVY of those of you back in the Home land. I'm a Minnesota born native and I can't WAIT to move back home. Minnesota was a bit slow on the CCW laws compared to some states and the Permit to buy licensing is a bit of a hassle but once that hurdle is passed its a pretty painless process.

    BTW. Minnesota nice is so true, WV drives me out of my mind. When I get back to Minnesota they'll have to DRAG me out again.
     
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    Permits are 5 years, not 4; can carry almost anywhere; no AWB; no mag capacity issues; C&R only for NFA etc.
     
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    I lived in Minnesota for ? 21 or my 31 yrs and have never seen anyone open carry nor has any of my family. I have been gone for the last 10 years but go back frequently. All my friends and family is still there. Is the common open carry up north maybe?
     
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    I wouldn't call oc common, but a good handful of folks do it... my lovely bride included. She can get by with it though. She's young and cute.
     
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    Although from my experience Minnesotans are not as a rule suspicious so if your carrying a rocket launcher most folks would probably assume your supposed to be doing so. Yes thats a little far fetched but not to far from the truth. Probably not so in the bigger cities but i'm from a smallish town and remember walking through town in my early teens with a 12 ga during deer season and nobody looked twice. I was returning it after the hunt to it's owner.
     
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    MN has very good gun laws in many respects with the exception of NFA items. You can have Short-barrels and AOWs but not suppressors or MGs

    MN has one of the best CCW laws in the entire nation

    Carry permits are shall issue, require a 5 (?) hour training course that'll run you $100-$150, and are good for 5 years. Permit itself is up to $100. You're prohibited from carrying from few places, and can even carry in places that dispense alcohol. Instead, they control drunken carry by limiting your BAC to 0.04. Carry permits exempt you from the need for a permit to purchase, which otherwise takes 10 (?) days I think.

    People & cops in the twin cities metro are less understanding than the rural areas about guns, but much moreso than in other urban areas I've been in (LA & Chicago) probably due to the fact that gun ownership isn't actively criminalized in this state.

    I like the gun laws here. They aren't perfect, but light years ahead of IL, where I used to live.

    Enjoy
     
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    MN gun situation.

    We were in a situation where most CCW applications were just 'circular filed' by the big metro areas, other places it was 'did you contribute to my campaign' etc etc.

    We pushed through a bill that made it a law that you either heard yes or no on your application by 30 days. If you hear nothing by 30 days it is an automatic yes. We also pushed through a law requiring records of how many people were rejected etc.

    Using those accomplishments we went after 'shall issue' CCW which died in committee many times. We tagged it onto a DNR (department of natural resources) bill at one time when a DNR hunter safety certificate was to be good enough training. Training requirements were increased, and we got the bill passed.

    The antis brought out some angle about the amendment on the DNR bill needed to pertain to the original bill to be constitutional. A judge agreed and the CCW was struck down.

    We pushed through CCW again on it's own and got it passed.

    You take a class and go through a background check to get your permit. Permit is good for 5 years, for concealed or open carry. However, in some areas the police will arrest you for 'disturbing the peace' if you carry open, or at least that is the threat.

    You have to post a specific sign on your establishment to ban guns, AND you have to verbally tell the person to leave before it becomes a crime. On rented property, only the owner can post, hence there are a lot of illegal posts on office buildings and malls.

    Lets see...what else...

    We have in our CCW law a clause that says a business may not prohibit an employee with CCW from safely storing a legally owned/possessed weapon in his private automobile on company property.

    Churches recently won a case where they desired to ban CCW without a sign posted worded the way most other places are required. Hence, now a church may ban CCW with a sign that says, for example, 'blessed are the peacemakers' or pretty much anything else. We could probably win with an argument along the lines of 'churches don't get to use freedom of religion to dictate their own wording on handicapped parking signs or fire exits' but truth be told, once the heavy lifting of getting good CCW passed, a lot less money and time and interest were directed toward defending minor fringe concerns.

    No supressors, no machineguns unless they are C&R.

    You need to get a 'permit to purchase' to buy a handgun or 'assault weapon', basically you get the standard NICS background check and they make you wait a week then you get a little peice of cardboard to carry around good for a year.

    St Paul managed to push out a fair amount of gunshops by citing schools being close to them, even though gunstores where there first, and just launching lawsuit after lawsuit until the places closed. This is currently the tactic Minneapolis is using against the last gunstore hold-out, KOSCIELSKI'S GUNS & AMMO
     
  22. .cheese.

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    So in Minneapolist/St. Paul.... you can own guns... you just can't buy them?
     
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    "So in Minneapolist/St. Paul.... you can own guns... you just can't buy them?"​

    No, there's no "local" store to buy them in. Gun stores are in the suburbs--Bill's in Robbinsdale and the Frontiersman, to name two close in on the west side of Minneapolis.

    MN has preemption, remember?

    Jim H.
     
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    What I mean is that from what has been described, this tactic of building a school within X amount of distance from a gun store and then shutting down the gun store under the veil of a stupid statute seems like a bully tactic. What would stop a state from over time eventually making it legally impossible to have a gun store anywhere by just building a zillion schools and saying, "Hey, look we have an awesome education system here.... oh and by the way, you gun store owners, you have 30 days to close shop."
     
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    believe me, .cheese, Minneapolis and St. Paul are NOT building new schools--in fact, they're closing them in record numbers.

    It is / was part of a targeted political strategy by the anti-gunners, and dates back some years.

    The unfortunate part of this charade is that, because of the expense of operating in our major cities, the retailers were not typically competitive in price anyway.

    There are no doubt gunnies in the Twin Cities proper--but the fact is, they are in the (political) minority.

    Jim H.
     
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