Discussion in 'Handloading and Reloading' started by kmw1954, May 7, 2021.
Yes, most, maybe all, modern guns are designed to handle some over pressure. But how much, 5%, 10%, 100%? And for how long, 1 round, 5 rounds, 1000 rounds?
The problem is that each over pressure round puts more strain on the gun, and metal fatigue and eventually failure happens, and that means a damaged gun and possible injury to one or more people.
Based on this, I don't think it was "something else". Sounds like this guy was over loading his rounds purposely and it caught up to him. I hope he's ok, and more importantly I hope nobody else gets hurt due to his loads.
I wouldnt push 8.6gr of CFE Pistol behind a 230 even in a modern gun, thats just crazy high. Im not afraid to push some hot loads, but not anything like that.
It could have been a squib, but we would have to see the gun in question to know for sure. @kmw1954
I would have sworn no one else was in the clearcut with me when I tested those loads!
Seriously, made up some loads from Speer #10 for my BHP back in the 80's. They shot like that. Nice group. When I picked up the brass it was as pot-bellied as I am now. Pull the loads apart at home, checked the tension and I never could figure out why. My beautiful BHP never shot the same afterwards either, hammered it pretty hard. I believe that was the day in my early loading career that I learned, you load one, fire one, examine one rather than load a mag and test.
Where would a new reloader even find component?
yeah! I’m also dyslexic, but with reloading and everything else. I have a process of checking my double check by repeating QC over and over and over.
you have to wait in line. Sportsman, gets shipments on Wednesday and post on their FB once delivered
This guy actually came back yesterday afternoon, talked with our GM and actually shot again. The first news of importance is after he arrived home from the ER Weds. he immediately sold all of his reloading equipment and supplies. Stitches to his face and finger.
GM as I said talked to him and yes it appears they were loaded to 8.6gr of CFE Pistol and were also possibly a double charged compressed load. This was not a squib! GM also said the guy stated he will be OK but was still in terrible pain. Apparently he has not been permanently banned.
So I guess this also ties into the 1k 9mm rounds I was given by a fellow RO that had someone load them for him and he shot some with all sorts of problems and multiple squibs. Of what I have pulled apart already I have found no consistency with these powder charges and the neck tension also seems to be all over the place.
I too know of very few people that I trust enough to fire their reloaded bullets. Even then I only fire it in their guns, not mine. I also do not offer to reload for anyone besides my own family and only allow people to fire my loads only in my guns that it has been tested in by me.
Now today while working at the 300yd rifle range I had someone come in and they told me that there were going to be shooting first time hand loads and asked if I wanted to check it first. There really isn't anything to check while at the range with no measuring tools other than to see if it would chamber and extract. So I told him to load one at a time and I'd look at them. Then to load 2 at a time to see if they would function and fully cycle.
Results were they all fired, were fairly accurate though probably a little under powered for his AR. I was grateful that he gave me a heads-up with these loads so I could keep a watchful eye on him.
With all the new reloader due to ammo prices, can see more of these issues happening. If I was you, I would invest in the best Safety glasses possible.
transported to a medical facility. Many people refuse medical treatment thinking they will have to pay for huge medical bills.
Each time I respond to a topic from a new loader asking for advice one of my major points is to go slow, take your time and develop a repeatable routine. One that if something doesn't feel right or seems out of sequence then stop and investigate. Because if something feels wrong then it usually is.
My routine has become so ingrained that I at times find it hard to move between different types of presses were the process is different.
I'm really glad no one else was hurt and that I stick to middle-of-the-road published data. Don't scribble outside the lines, people.
Yeah, and the "more power!! grunt-grunt-grunt!" types just encourage those people who "ask Google" not to take good advice when it's given.
New Reloader needs guidance, and direction. The more reloaders the better for the community! Just think of all the new Presses and tech in the works to fill this BOMB market!
they have a Super Max Load that’s even higher. Look up 9mm Major. usually for compensator guns. It uses the same case and components as normal 9mm
When I was a kid, I worked up 357 mag loads that were not too far from 41 mag power levels, now I take a 44 mag and load them down to 41 mag levels.
Part of being young and old I guess...
Not sure if the internet would have got me into trouble or kept me out of it but I am real glad cell phones didn’t exist back then.
I’m getting there too. I use to think, if it wasn’t over .45 caliber it wasn’t worth it... NOW, .22 is a pleasure and fun
Seems no one answered your post, so I went and tried it out. Which leads me to think he made a hot load, but not a 1911 killer.
8.6gr CFE-P in a new .45 Auto case fills less than 50%, but to quibble, let's say 1/2 full. Even with a 230gr FMJ I can't see a gun blowing apart at a 50% case fill.
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