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Missouri Lawmakers ... Send Permitless Carry to Governor’s Desk

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  1. Midwest

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    Missouri Lawmakers Ignore Bloomberg, Send Permitless Carry to Governor’s Desk


    Will Missouri be the 10th state to go permit-less carry? If they can achieve an veto override (like West Virginia did), it may be a possibility.

    The Brietbart article says the legislation passed the Senate 24 to 8 and it passed the House by a huge amount, 114-36. There is a possibility with that wide of a margin (according to the article) that there might be an veto override if Governor Jay Nixon vetoes it.

    As you might suspect, Bloomberg and company. Most notably "Everytown for Gun Safety" are running a campaign against the legislation according to Breitbart.

    http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...lawmakers-pass-stand-ground-permitless-carry/


    "On May 13 Missouri lawmakers ignored the campaign blitz by Michael Bloomberg-funded Everytown for Gun Safety and sent permitless concealed carry to Govenor Jay Nixon’s (D) desk."
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  2. Red Wind

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    With Jay Nixon as Governor, an override will almost certainly be needed. And it will be close.

    Good luck, Show Me's. :)
     
  3. harrygunner

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    Good wishes to Missouri. I haven't read the legislation. Hopefully, it only requires U.S. citizenship.

    If signed, that would have twenty percent of states acknowledging that the Second Amendment is our carry permit. There's a ten percent group of states that want the benefits of being in the United States, yet continually violate one if its core laws. That leaves plenty of room for this trend to continue.
     
  4. joem1945

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    I live in MO. I'm not sure if I like that idea, except criminals don't bother with permits. What I did like about the permit system is the training requirement and being able to hit the target.
     
  5. kwhi43@kc.rr.com

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    Will current CCW holders be grandfathered in?
     
  6. Red Wind

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    Vermont's had it since 1777. No problems. Same with Alaska and Arizona for many years.
    You can certainly train yourself to hit the target without a state permit slip. :what: :D
     
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    Most of the states have allowed ownership and some sort of public possession be it on private property, open carry and at times concealed carry without training and the blood hasn't flowed in the streets.

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  8. Ryanxia

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    I'm not sure about your state but don't you guys already have open carry without a permit? If so, this Bill would simply mean a law abiding citizen won't become a criminal for putting on a jacket.

    When Maine was looking at Constitutional Carry I had coworkers thinking there would be 'blood in the streets', I said, 'like Vermont right? It's sooo dangerous there'.. And they kind of got the hint. Now, almost a year after Constitutional Carry was passed in Maine, we are just as safe and business as usual as ever.
     
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    We have open carry here in Missouri, but the kicker is that you must have
    a CCW to be able to do it.
     
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    Oh. Well ain't that some commie crap.
     
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    Not true at all. The permit for open carry is only needed where municipalities have passed laws against open carry. It's an affirmative defense. Most of the state has no laws against open carry.
     
  12. Midwest

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    Here in Kentucky we have had open carry since 1792. We tried twice to pass concealed permit-less carry. First time it didn't go anywhere. This second time there was some poison pill legislation built in that said signs would have the force of law.

    So it was changed at the last minute to exclude the poison pill signage law, but it was too late to reintroduce the bill again for this year. We will try again in 2017. With all these states passing permit-less carry laws, it can only help us here in Kentucky.

    There are a bunch of states that are considering has some form of permit-less carry legislation this year awaiting the governor's signature (or veto override). I think New Hampshire is still in the fight yet for permit-less carry. There is still the possibility of open permit-less carry in Oklahoma. And there is a proposal to have permit-less car carry in Alabama.

    Bottom line, keep fighting for permit-less carry in Missouri even if it is defeated this year. You can always try again next year. But I really hope y'all get permit-less carry this time around.

    Good Luck!
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    I've read that Jay Nixon is one of the most veto overridden governors in the USA.
     
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    [email protected] said:
    And (naturally) there are those areas that try to stop either kind of carry, such as St. Louis.
     
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    Here is an update to the Missouri permit-less carry bill. Governor Jay Nixon vetoed the bill (as many expected he would) according to an article dated yesterday (Monday, June 27 2016).

    The article did not say anything about an veto override. Maybe one our Missouri members here might be able to comment on that possibility.


    http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Missouri-Gov-Nixon-to-veto-gun-rights-bill-384518771.html


    “I cannot support a system that would ignore a determination by the chief law enforcement officer of a county that an individual is a danger to the community and should not be authorized to carry a concealed firearm,” said the Governor in his veto message. “Allowing currently prohibited individuals to automatically be able to carry concealed would make Missouri less safe.”

    Of course the article fails to mention that other states have passed permit-less carry with no apparent issues. Barring a veto override, I guess there is always next year.
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    I live in MO, it is veto proof, well over 3/4 in the house and 5 votes over in the senate so as long and not more then 5 people in the senate change their mind it will get passed in September and become a law in Jan 2017

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    Let's hope it does
     
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    I certainly hope IP1911 is on the money. Nothing would be more pleasing than to see the villainous anti gun Jay Nixon's veto go down in flames.
     
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    Getting a CCW in Missouri doesn't mean you are "trained" any more than you are "trained" when you are issued a driver's license. It's a dog and pony show and it comes out of your wallet. Street punks will continue to carry what ever they want whenever they want. The only difference is the honest people are required to write a check to the State. :rolleyes: He should be impeached, tried and incarcerated for violating his Oath.
     
  20. Midwest

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    Just an update to this thread, the veto was over ridden and Missouri has passed permit-less carry! Congratulations to Missouri and everyone who made this possible. This is another huge victory, not just for those in Missouri but for all of us. Kentucky in 2017? One can always hope!
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  21. 230RN
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    I'm curious about how our local "news" <koff-koff> outlets will handle this, if at all. And what the reactions by our local [STRIKE]communists[/STRIKE] hyperleftists will be.
     
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    Congratulations of all who live in the free state of Missouri.


    I just wish my so called gun friendly state of Texas will wake up and follow your lead.





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    When Arizona went to no-permit-needed for concealed carry, and even extended this to 18 and older, as well as out-of-state visitors, I was worried about training issues - and still am.

    But the fact of the matter is, the change didn't make a blip in negligent, accidental or deliberate shooting statistics.

    This is not to say that such incidents didn't or don't occur, just that unexpectedly no perceptible increase occurred.
     
  25. 230RN
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    ^ (Midwest's post)

    Yeah, I see two paragraphs of anti-gun [STRIKE]lies[/STRIKE] blather by Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal went unchallenged.

    I also object to them using the phrase "registered guns" in States where there is no registration, when they really mean "estimates of gun ownership." Let's promulgate the idea that all guns should be "registered," shall we?

    Feh.

    Terry
     
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