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MN: Security guard can't get permit to carry

Discussion in 'Legal' started by halvey, Sep 30, 2004.

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  1. halvey

    halvey Member

    Apr 28, 2004
    Security guard attacked on the job

    MINNEAPOLIS Minnesota- A security camera captured video of an attack outside a local shopping mall. The victim: a security guard who was hired to prevent crimes like this.

    Ben Ellringer is a security guard for Talon Investigation, which has him working at a south Minneapolis mall. But he says he couldn't even protect himself when a group of thugs attacked him. He also says the fight might not have happened had he been carrying a gun.

    Ellringer told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS that he had warned a group of guys to stop loitering in the parking lot of the south Minneapolis shopping mall, which he did not want to identify. As he approached the men a second time to tell them to get moving, the four men immediately took him on, pushing, shoving and kicking him. One of the men even took a swing at him.

    "I got punched a few times, got kicked in the chest, finally I got my left hand free and I was able to pull out my asp," Ellringer said.

    Ellringer said he only had the asp, which is similar to a baton, and a can of pepper spray to defend himself. He said he's qualified to carry a gun, but St. Paul police haven't been issuing permits while the state's permit-to-carry law is tied up in court.

    Police and Sheriffs departments may give out permits while the courts sort out the law, but they don't have to.

    The situation frustrates Ellringer. While he spends most of his day roaming the mall looking for shoplifters or loiterers, he says this video shows how quickly his job can turn dangerous.

    "It makes you a little nervous," he said.

    Talon Investigation owner Scott Hielsberg said guns give guards a necessary advantage.

    "Puts some of them guys in harm's way," Hielsberg said. "The officers who are armed do get more respect from people."

    Ellringer agrees.

    "It's kind of more of an intimidation factor," he said, and added that the intimidation alone would help to stop men who are throwing rocks and punches.

    "That's the first time it's ever happened and hopefully the last time, because it's something nobody wants to have happen like that," Ellringer said.

    Security guards like Ellringer have been waiting months for the right to carry a gun.

    The St. Paul Police Department said it has now decided to accept permit applications from those who need guns for their job.
  2. mondocomputerman

    mondocomputerman Member

    Jan 9, 2004
    Kansas City
    Being unarmed really helped the security guard in the Illinois capital, right?
  3. Carlos

    Carlos Member

    Jan 10, 2003
    Portland, Oregon
    Yeah, right. These monsters that substitute for people are getting more brazen by the day.

    Glad the guy's ok.
  4. dustind

    dustind Member

    Jan 11, 2003
    St. Michael, MN
    There is nothing to stop them. Our society seems to think defending oneself is wrong. Many people would rather people be victims than have the power to defend themself. :(
  5. Glamdring

    Glamdring Member

    Apr 20, 2003
    "The St. Paul Police Department said it has now decided to accept permit applications from those who need guns for their job."

    So I guess everyone else is out of luck. Like women being stalked or people living in not so good areas.

    Glad I got my permit the first day I could.

    Funny thing was I checked out working for security companies (part time) right after I got my permit. I had done security during college and for a year after. They were only offering about $9-10/hour and wanting you to "aggressively" use citizens arrest.

    The minute they said that I almost blurted alound they were nuts. You can make that much or more working at coffee shops in the same areas. And saying they wanted their guards to act young and dumb citizens arrest as a SOP doesn't sound good.

    So I got a part time pizza delivery job that pays about twice an hour what security guards makes. And where I work my biggest risk is traffic accidents, since 99% of our deliveries are to people we have delivered to for years.
  6. gigmike

    gigmike Member

    Jun 18, 2004
    Tacoma, WA
    It seems to me that an unarmed security guard is simply a more appealing target for someone with anti-social tendencies. Why on earth would you agree to be an unarmed guard? I know people need to support themselves but I'd think crab fishing in Alaska would be safer than this.
  7. Daemon688

    Daemon688 Member

    Mar 31, 2004
    South Minneapolis is not exactly the best part of town :uhoh:
  8. Standing Wolf

    Standing Wolf Member in memoriam

    Dec 24, 2002
    Idahohoho, the jolliest state
    Yeah, but it'd probably be considered rude to call them "jack-booted thugs."

    I used to live in south Minneapolis years ago. I rarely ventured outdoors after dark: the cops occasionally inconvenienced the predators, but not a great deal.
  9. gunsmith

    gunsmith member

    May 8, 2003
    Reno, Nevada
    why cant he carry as a guard?

    In CA I carry a gun at work,I live in frisco and it is impossible to get CCW here. CCW is totally different (here) then armed security,do the armored car guys there all CCW? if not how do they get to carry? I think the owner of the security company and the client that wants security on the cheap has to share the burden. I carry a gun but if they want to rob I am only required to "observe and report" I aint dying for company or client-but I aint afraid of using the .40 or .357 to save my or the clients life either.
  10. ckyllo

    ckyllo Member

    Apr 19, 2004
    Minnesota has a carry premit system that allows concealed and open carry. from may of 02 till this summer it was shall issue and the gaurd would have his firearm. a liberal judge said it violated some rule in the senate and overturned the law back to the old system. the decision is in the appeals court right now and law enforcement are in a wait and see mode. my sheriff is waiting for the most part but he said he will issue personal protection / job related permits on a limited basis. in the metro twin cities area I think you would need to be shot near dead at least 2 times before they might concider a permit for personal protection, and than it is a maybe and advice on pepper spray. my sheriff is alot better than most in the state I had a permit for 2 years before the law became shall issue.
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