MO CCW Question

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  1. jeffmack

    jeffmack Member

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    Hello, this is my first post. It is aimed mostly to those of you in Missouri. I will hopefully get to the rest of you in the other 49 in later posts.

    Question: A Missouri CCW holder is pulled over for speeding. The officer writes the ticket and is about to leave. At the last second, the officer turns and says, "You have a CCW. Are you carrying tonight?"

    Are we required to answer in MO? I seem to remember that we did not, but I wanted to double check. Also, are we required to announce that we have a weapon? Obviously, if you are about to open your glove box to get documents, and you have a visible weapon in there, it should be announced, but otherwise, there is not a requirement to announce in MO, is there?

    Thanks.
     
  2. bhk

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    You are not required to volunteer the information in Missouri. Lying when directly asked could be a problem (both morally and possibly legally). I have a thing about honesty.
     
  3. jeffmack

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    Thank you bhk.
    I did not think we had to volunteer, but I wanted to double check.

    I have also heard various things about lying, but I suppose after you have given your name and presented your required documents, you really don't need to say anything, and could just plead the Fifth.
     
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    Why would you lie or 'plead the fifth?" He knows you have a ccw and you are legal. I don't get the point in any deception or avoidance at this point.

    My wife was stopped in a routine traffic check one day and it was noted she had a ccw. When the deputy found out she didn't have her gun with her, his response was 'Why not?"
     
  5. XD_fan

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    In MO you do not have a duty to inform. If they ask that's a whole different story.

    Lying is lying. Why would you do that? Especially to a cop, since if they catch you in a lie you've now given them reason to question everything about you.
     
  6. jeffmack

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    Re: Pleading the Fifth

    I just really think it is cool that in America I don't have to talk to a cop if I don't want to, aside from giving my name and so forth.

    Many of us go to a great deal of trouble to flex our Second Amendment freedoms. Is it so bad to want to use our Fifth?

    I hate to admit it, but I started this thread because it was based on an actual experience. The officer had already run my plates and done his business and was getting ready to leave, and then he looked over his shoulder and asked if I was carrying. I was coming home from work, so I was not carrying, and I did not need to lie, but the context and the circumstances seemed almost like he were fishing for something. It made me uncomfortable, and it made me wonder what I would do next time, aside from not driving so fast.
     
  7. proud2deviate

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    Get a non-resident CCW and they'll never know about it.
     
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    Jeffmack, if you live in Missouri we have a great forum over at Missouricarry.com, lots of good people and information, FAQ, etc.
     
  9. jackdanson

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    Tell him, 90% of officers are good guys and you aren't doing anything illegal anyway... If he is the jerky type he will make you pay for "pleading the fifth".
     
  10. Solo Flyer

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    jeffmack,only 10 states require that you must notify the officer you are carrying,TMK:
    AK,LA,MI,NE,NC,OH,OK,SC,TX and UT.
    As XD fan said:

     
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    You might want to check state law on this. Many states have laws that once you become a resident, your out-of-state CCW is no longer valid and now a felony would be committed by carrying concealed without a valid CCW.
     
  12. HuntAndFish

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    Carry on an out of state license is legal in MO. Missouri's LTC law respects any carry license issued to any person by a US state government.

    You can look it up yourself by following links on this site: http://www.handgunlaw.us

    As several poster's have noted, you don't have to volunteer the information about your carry status in Missouri, but responding with a lie to a direct question from a police officer would not be wise.
     
  13. Griz44

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    No reason to lie to an officer. In Texas if you get pulled over, you are obligated (by law) to produce both CHL and DL. I have only been stopped once and the officer did not ask if I was armed or not, just handed my plastic back and said "Please slow down and be careful" Handing a Texas officer a CHL will 9 out of 10 times get you kicked loose instead of ticketed. Just be courteous and polite. They appreciate the extra eyes and ears and knowing that there is help out there for them if they get into a bind out on the road. Less than a month after the CHL laws were passed here, a senior Texas State Trooper who originally led protests and signed petitions to get the laws stopped was attacked by a felon on the open road, was down on the ground with the bad guy pointing a gun in his face. One of the first hundred that obtained a permit was on the road that day, stopped and fatally shot the bad guy, saving the officers life. The story made Texas news, but the national liberal propaganda machine (NBC,ABC,CBS) did not even mention it, just like they do anything that does not meet the anti-gun agenda they carry. Needless to say, that is one officer that has had a radical change of heart. Texas troopers love us, and support us, as do most local law enforcement. They are after all, our partners, our fellow sheep-dogs that watch out over the masses who have no idea what the real world is like. Read this link, it pretty much tells all.
    SHEEP, SHEEPDOGS and WOLVES.
     
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    In Texas, are you legally required to inform of your CHL if you are carrying on an out-of-state CHL, or does that obligation only apply to Texas CHL licensees?
     
  15. Griz44

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    Any out of state carry licensee is obligated to follow all Texas CHL rules while carrying in the state of Texas. This is the same reciprocal verbage used with all state-to-state agreements. The standard verbage in the Texas agreement is listed for each state individually we have an agreement with. CLICK HERE. For a complete list of agreements that may be valid for your state reciprocating with Texas, CLICK HERE.
     
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