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Discussion in 'Shooting Gear and Storage' started by TheRodDoc, Feb 4, 2010.

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  1. TheRodDoc

    TheRodDoc Member

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    I'm new here so thought I would say hi.
    Live in iowa and am 62 yeas old. About 4 years ago after dad passed away, I aquired his model 70 target rifle in 220 Swift. Serial No. 104xxx.
    He bought it new in Dec. 1948. Back in those days he shot bench rest only with it. It has never had a factory load put through it. All loads always used a graphite grease wad under the bullet. Barrel is in excelent condition yet.

    It has a J.W. Fecker 10 power scope on it which he also bought new then.

    The action and barrel is rubber bedded to the stock so the stock is part of the gun. Acording to his record book he did this in 1950. He drilled a small hole in the stock to remove the triger to adjust the spring other wise it can't be taken apart.

    He also added a home made muzzle brake that he says made a big difference. It could be removed to make the barrel stock again for it is just pressed on.

    The gun hasn't been used since around 1958.

    His average 3 shot groups were inside of a 3/8" circle at 100 yards. There was two 3 shot groups listed that were inside a 5/16" circle at 100 yards. He saved a lot of those targets though a little battered and fragile to handle now.

    His best groups were with sierra 48 gr. flat bottom bullets which I can't seem to find any more but I think there is stll some in his boxes of loading stuff. I also can't find the graphite grease sheets any more. What do you all use now?

    Any way I was wondering if It might have come with some kind of attachment that goes on under the front of the stock. There is a row of taped holes in a plate with one shouldered screw in one of the holes. Did Winchester make or sell something that went here?

    I am thinking of useing the gun again. At least some.
    Would it hurt its value? I'm not sure what value it even has but know it should be higher then some other cals. of that period. Wouldn't think there would have been to many made with the varmint barrel and target stock in 220 swift in that year.
     
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  2. TheRodDoc

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    One more question.

    On the fecker scope the front stop ring is gone.
    Dad put a small hose clamp where it used to be. Don't know how the original one got off of it unless it broke.

    Is there anywhere to find another one? And how do you get it on the scope?

    A 3/4" tube with 1 1/4" front lens
    I haven't tried to see if the front unscrews from the scope. Doesn't really look like it though. The scope might have to come completely apart to slide it on from the rear. Might be why it has a hose clamp on it. <grin>
     
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  3. rcmodel

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    The target rail under the stock was used to position the front sling swivel in the best position for the individual shooter when using a tight sling in 3-position target competition. It was standard on the Model 70 & Model 52 Target stocks.

    There was also a hand stop made that went on there, but Winchester did not normally provide one.
    Most position shooters back then would have used a Freeland hand stop. But since your father only shot bench rest, he would not have used a hand stop.
    http://www.championshooters.com/handstop-ssl.htm

    http://www.creedmoorsports.com/store/product.php?productid=16390

    I would suggest you contact these folks for Fecker scope repair.
    It's not a DIY job for most folks.
    http://www.ironsightinc.com

    That's because nobody does it anymore, especially bench-rest shooters.

    Barrel life on the .220 Swift is no worse or better then any other caliber, as long as you don't insist on getting 4,100 FPS every time you pull the trigger.

    Load it down to moderate pressure & velocity and it will probably last longer then you will.

    As for collector value?
    That your father glued it into the stock with some sort of rubber adhesive greatly reduced any collector value. I doubt it could be returned to factory again as there was likely wood removed from the inletting to make room for the bedding compound glue/rubber.

    rc
     
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  4. TheRodDoc

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    I thank you much for your reply.

    I cleaned the bore for the first time ever that I know of. I have to admit there was no sign of any copper fouling at all. But the gun only had 263 shots through it acording to his book till I got it and added 4 more. (some of his old loaded shells) He kept very good records for this gun.
    Dad never cleaned the bore. I remember once when I was young I offered to clean it for him and he got all bent out of shape and told me never to do that on his gun.

    In those days I guess they thought it better to use the graphite wad under the bullet to lube the bore and didn't clean it.
     
  5. 78tsubaki

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    I appreciated reading your thread.

    Winchester Model 70 rifles do hold value even if they have been modified. I agree that a modified rifle will not be as valuable to a collector as a survivor rifle but that rifle you have has a great story. Like you, I am not looking to sell my Model 70. I am looking for another to add to my collection.

    I have a 1953 30-06 that had a recoil pad added about 40 years ago. I bought it from the second owner, an older guy (older than you and I) who was just looking to sell a few things that he did not use anymore. After replying to his add in the local paper, I met him at a rest stop. There were a couple of young guys in cars who looked like they were "doing business". When the seller pulled that rifle out of the case and handed it to me they left immediately.:)

    I did not care that the rifle had been modified. It was a rifle that I had been looking to purchase for many years. I consider it a shooter. 220 Swift is a cool round. Best of luck with your "new" Model 70. I hope you find the help that you are looking for.
     
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  6. TheRodDoc

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    I have tried to open the site for the fecker scope but It just will not open on my dial up connection. I waited for 30 minutes on one of the tries and nothing.

    Why on earth do they make sites like that?

    Any way would someone with a high speed connection help me out and see if they have a phone no. on that site for me to call.
    http://www.ironsightinc.com

    Thank you.
     
  7. BruM

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    wow, reminds me of the model 70 swift I shot and reloaded for in the 70s. also used the graphite wads. It was loaned to me by an older guy down the street.
     
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    Iron Sight Inc

    918 445 2001

    918 521 7736

    There yah go; good luck.
     
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