Modern Pocket 9mm's and +P ammo

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  1. Hunter2011

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    I do realise the answer will be different per brand, and that you must read the manual. But if it is allowed, but not recomended, if you want to shoot only +P ammo in yours, how long should it last before parts needs replacement? What parts should fail first?
    I have a Taurus PT709 if it matters.
     
  2. GRIZ22

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    I would just use std 9mm ammo. If you look at the figures most +P ammo gives you 100-150 fps more velocity in a longer barrel. Thats not much in a round that's doing 1100 fps plus in std loadings. The gain in a short barrel sub compact will even be less. Most of your "+P" in a short barrel will only result in more muzzle flash.
     
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    Most of it I've seen doesn't even get you that much more velocity.
     
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    It's not like you're going to be shooting box after box of +P JHP ammo anyway, right? If you want to carry +P ammo, at least use the ammo designed for short barrel guns. Get a chronograph, go out to the range with a few different choices, see what works in your gun.
     
  5. Hunter2011

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    Hi, no I figure I will only function test and carry with it. Practise will be with standard power rounds. I will shoot a mag or two say every 4 months or so.

    My reason for wanting to shoot with +P is not for more power. If I wanted more power I would have rather shot with a .40 than 9mm +P.
    But my pistol do not like lower powered rounds. It does not like PMP and I have been told they are loaded very conservatively. With Federal Hydra Shocks it works fine. But I thought that if higher power rounds do make it run more reliable, why not upgrade to +P ammo and be sure:)
     
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    Or find out why your gun won't function with standard ammo - and fix it or trade it. If a gun won't function with standard rounds there's something wrong with it and it should not be depended upon for defense use.:scrutiny:
     
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    Break it in with any ammo you like.

    Then put a few mags of performance ammo (Hornady Critical Defense, or the like) through it to confirm satisfactory function.

    That's as much as you need.

    After that, it's hope you never need it.
     
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    That is my plan as well;)
     
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    ^^^^^^^^^^
    + Ruger says don't do it in the manual + I like to carry the same (or similar) ammo that I can afford to practice (a lot) with
    = naw
    just say no to marketeering hype
    and I hope if I ever have to use it, I'm packing a 1911
     
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    Just because you found one brand of ammo that your gun doesn't like (PMP) doesn't mean you have to jump all the way up to +P ammo.

    Many of the smaller nines are either finicky about ammo or they're built for a certain range of bullet weight - like the Kimber Solo and Diamondback DB9. If your pistol is finicky you can find ammo it likes without going to +P You can probably do just fine by moving up in bullet weight.

    My Rohrbaugh R9 doesn't like 147gr Bonded Golden Sabre - I didn't start shooting Buffalo Bore out of it just because of that.

    One line of practice ammo that is loaded close to premium SD rounds is Lawman. Try a box of their 147gr TMJ, if your PT709 doesn't cycle those then its time to send it back to Taurus.
     
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    Also, just my experience with reading posts from other 9mm micromatic owners on the various forums, the round that seems to work most reliably in all the different pocket nines in 124gr Gold Dot. I know that doesn't get you cheap practice ammo, but just passing on some info.

    Also if this is a new gun, it might need a "break in" period. I hesitate to say that because it is a contentious subject. When I first purchased my CM9 I did a lot of reading on the Kahr Talk forum and the owners who posted range reports of FTEs were almost always guys who took their Kahr out of the box at the range and tried to run 115gr practice ammo through it. The guys who didn't have any problems with their first range outing were guys who cleaned and lubed their guns and ran heavier bullets through it. So I ran "NATO" ammo through my CM9 at first. When I say NATO - I mean 124gr FMJ rated between 1175 to 1200 fps from a 5" barrel. There are ammo manufacturers who make cartridges with 124gr bullets with 1175 fps muzzle velocity and they call it NATO - I don't think its that hot of ammo, but anyway the first 250 rounds were NATO-ish ammo and I didn't have any problems, since then I've run anemic 115gr Blazzer Brass through my CM9 and haven't had any problems with it either.
     
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    Only my defensive ammo is +p. And since I buy a case of 500 of that only every few years for testing when 9mm WAS my CCW caliber, it never became an issue.

    IME, +p actually seems to cycle more reliably. Also one of the reasons I like .40 and .45.
     
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