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Molon Labe!: you have GOT to read this!

Discussion in 'Legal' started by neoncowboy, Feb 5, 2006.

  1. neoncowboy

    neoncowboy Member

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    All of my fellow High Roaders and freedom loving friends.

    Please forgive me if I am behind the curve with this and late, I know it's been out for over a year, but I just finished reading Boston T. Party's novel 'Molon Labe!'.

    It is simply fantastic! If you haven't already, you absolutely have to read it. It's a story of American's reclaiming their liberty and is not only a great story, but filled with compelling political thought.

    http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1888766077/ref=pd_bxgy_img_b/002-3211009-5603245?_encoding=UTF8

    I can't reccomend this highly enough for anyone out there who senses that there must be more to being 'free'.

    See you in Wyoming!
     
  2. Highland Ranger

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    Never heard of it . . . . so that's two of us . . .
     
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  4. neoncowboy

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    It's fantastic. The premise is that:
    1. The 2 party liberal/conservative system is not working for us. The 2 sides are too opposite from each other and share too little common ground. There's no real chance of a moderate platform satisfying either, much less both, side(s). So, while there aren't enough liberty loving Americans to take federal elections and win the white house or a house/senate majority...there are enough of us to take a state...in the book, for many reasons that are explained in detail, Wyoming is the state.
    2. The Federal government is not going to stop squeezing us...it's only going to get worse.
    3. The context for it to get much worse in the near future is unavoidable: increased terrorism, increasing economic instability, decreased energy availability all coupled with an increasing lack of resolve amongst Americans. The stage is set for things to get in a bad way in the US within the next 5-7 years. This could serve as a good catalyst to get people motivated to start taking steps toward increasing their own freedom. What combination of high prices/worthless money/draconinan police state regulations/health crisis/terrorism activity would it take for YOU to bail to join such a movement?

    It's a really interesting proposition and the book is certainly worth reading. You may dismiss it as a pipe dream, but the author's point (which you have to concede) is that the only thing keeping it from becoming our reality is a sufficient number of people to get on board with the vision and commit themselves to seeing it through.
     
  5. Manedwolf

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    Isn't this like the sorts who are in southern Utah? :scrutiny:
     
  6. Ian

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    FWIW, here's Loompanics' review blurb:

     
  7. Manedwolf

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    The reviews on Amazon, every other review, say that the author turns the Evil D.C. politicians into a satanist plot.

    Ooooookkay....
     
  8. neoncowboy

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    That's a very minor sub-sub-sub-plot that is based on research the author did for another book. I thought that aspect of the book pretty far fetched and silly, but:
    a) it doesn't detract from the other HUNDREDS of legitimate thoughts expressed on the state of our government and what we can do to bail ourselves out.
    b) given the intelligence and level of thought expressed everywhere else throughout the book, I began to wonder if there's not something to this sub-sub-sub-plot and plan to read the author's book that explores the line of reasoning in greater depth.

    Whatever the reason that caused him to insert that small dialogue, it's not that he's nuts...the complexity of the thought expressed throughout the story totally rule out that possibility. It's worth reading the book yourself to make that determination on your own.
     
  9. neoncowboy

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    I didn't notice that at all. This review must have been written by someone who hates freedom because the story doesn't have any of these ideas in it at all. The society that the liberty lovers create for themselves by winning a state's government is actually more aptly described as one where the government knows it's limits and leaves people alone to: keep and bear arms, educate their kids, regulate their own industries, keep more their own money.
     
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  11. HankB

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    The premise - move a group of like-minded people somewhere and take over peacefully via the ballot box - is at least plausible.

    Wasn't it around 25 or 30 years ago that a guru and a bunch of his followers moved to Antelope, Wyoming, established residency, and renamed it "Rajneeshpuram" or something of the sort?

    I see the biggest hurdle as . . . what do you do for a living once you're there? Not an easy question to answer for quite a few people.
     
  12. neoncowboy

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    Of course this is dealt with in the book.

    Remember that we're talking about some of the most independent, motivated, self-reliant people in America who would participate in something like this. Many of those people are already self-employed and running their own companies. Many of those companies could be moved to Wyoming, preserving their owner's employment, but more importantly, creating jobs for other participants.

    Then of course, there's the ensuing building boom, all those new residents are going to need somewhere to live.

    Then, down the road as progress is made, there's the influx of new business eager to take advantage of the laissez-faire policies as they are enacted.

    Motivated, hard working, responsible people are going to work...I think we can count on that wherever they happen to be transplanted to.
     
  13. Wllm. Legrand

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    I've read it. Read Unintended Consequences, as well. Also Enemies Foreign and Domestic.

    Good reads, all of them, though I'd put U.C. best, M.L. second, E.F.A.D. last.

    One of my majors was English, so it is difficult to read any fiction work without strict scrutiny, despite the affection all have for "the cause". Enemies has the least interesting character development, while M.L. has areas that are meant to be informational, but veer off tangentially from the target. Good character development, in contrast to some of the unbelievability of Enemies.

    U.C. was a first in what seems to be a developing genre. It is unusual to be first and best.

    In addition, Loompanics, a libertarian publisher, may have had a reviewer from the "other side" of the Libertarian "Free State Project" do the review. There are two camps within Libertarians on this subject. First, the L. Neil Smith "New Hampshire" goal, then there is the Boston T. Party "Western State" objective. For the life of me, I cannot understand how ANY westerner (such as myself) could EVER move back east....Many libertarians simply (excuse the expression) DO NOT GET IT!

    Childish? That reviewer is absurd.
     
  14. TequilaMockingbird

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    I'd have to agree with Legrand here.

    Reading that Loompanics review makes me think we just didn't read the same book.

    If you liked Unintended Consequences, than you would probably enjoy Molon Labe.
     
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    It was Antelope, OREGON. And it was a *mess*, and the only instance of domestic Bio-terror (they tainted food at a bunch of local Sizzlers to influence elections).

    Ma Anand Sheila was eventually convicted and served time in prison. the Bagwan ran away to india where he died of <stomach cancer?> cant remember.

    Anyway...yes, you can influence small town elections if you are a nutty cult. I suppose a large cult could influence large towns, and a large religious congregation could influence a state...if it was big enough. Just let folks know so that they can move OUT of that state...My people tend to end up in camps and bashed and burned at stakes when some folks find themselves in control of things. Thanks!

    As for what to do once everyone is there...they did a LOT of weapons training over there in 'Puram. My wife was a reporter and did some stories out there, and that was her only experience with AK47-variants (until me :) ...scared the willies out of her having 1000s of armed folks poking reporters with the barrel of their rifles.
     
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    Great book, I thoroughly enjoyed it!
     
  18. Gifted

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    From the application(PDF):
    I got a BIIG problem with that. I may have Libertarian leanings, but I'm not giving money unless it's going to be garanteed that it'll go where I want. And that means having a name of a company/person to write on my check. If you can't handle that, you're not getting my money.
     
  19. Brother in Arms

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    I have not read any of the above books, I plan to read U.C. as soon as I can get a copy.
    I have read Bostons Gun Bible, and he used the O with a / through it to mean the american dollar, exspressing that is it worthless. However if you want to buy the Free state wyoming silver or gold coins he only accepts cash. I have always found that unusual...

    Not trying to discredit him it just always seemed a little hypocritical to me.

    Brother in Arms
     
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    Gifted, from the forum:

    http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php?topic=88.0

    For those reasons, I'm fine with it.
     
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    Gifted - The reason for a blank MO is that it can be reused without having to go through a bank to be cashed (an action which makes it trackable).
     
  22. neoncowboy

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    After reading the book, I'm inclined to agree.

    The book offers a glimpse into the character and nobility of the author. Neither of which I question enough to feel squeamish about entrusting 25 whole dollars to him or the movement.

    If he's able to use it to further this cause at all (and the immense amount of work that went into the book, along with the interviews he conducts, and the website he hosts, and the mailing list...etc.) then by all means let him use my $25.

    I guess one of the natural consequences of this movement are the varying levels of comittment by different people. Fortunately, the success of the project doesn't really depend on unwavering allegiance by more than a few initial visionaries. Gifted, if you want to support the thing, it's fine to wait until you see results that you feel are worth supporting.
     
  23. Boston T. Party

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    Howdy all,

    Thanks for this thread, and your kind praise of Molôn Labé!
    The FSW has a new forum up, open to all:
    http://www.fundamentalsoffreedom.com/fswforum/index.php

    Here are my brief responses to what's been discussed here:


    Loompanics "review"
    This was largely hallucinatory, and I told Mike Hoy just that.
    The characters did not advocate/say what Mike alleged.
    Readers can easily judge this for themselves.
    While Mike has the right to his own opinion, he doesn't have
    the right to his own facts. I ceased selling him the title after
    he did not corrects his "facts." It's a moot point now that
    Loompanics is closing down this year.

    Satanists in D.C. office
    This was more of an obiter dictum, a brief glimpse of horror
    as the reader passes by. The story does not depend on it.

    $25 FSW donation
    If my reputation doesn't warrant trusting the proper FSW use
    of a measly $25, then not even my books are worth reading.
    And I'm not in the FSW for the money...

    Ø as FRN symbol
    I prefer such for books, and require it for the silver FSW coins (as
    I've just got a thing against taking checks for actual silver!).
    FRNs have no intrinsic value, but I can still pass them onto the
    next sucker...which is the ONLY reason I still accept them.
    No hypocrisy there--just reality. (We take gold/silver coins in payment, too.)

    Two libertarian camps within the free state movement
    Generally true. It was evidenced by the 50:50 East:West split
    in the FSP vote of 9/2003, and I started the FSW to give Westerners
    a chance in Wyoming. I'd say that the one distinguishing factor is
    actual gun bearing/use--which we in the West outshine the Easterners.

    Is Boston some sort of guru?
    Explicitly not, because I've never wanted followers.
    And I am not using the FSW to repeat some Antelope, Oregon scheme.

    Best wishes,

    Boston T. Party
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  24. Kim

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    It was a cool book. That review that Ian posted reads like a different book. No Christian take over in this book. Totally Libertarian.
     
  25. JJpdxpinkpistols

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    Sorry...never inferred that you were. My note was a point of historical interest with some bad nicotine-withdrawal-tainted bad humor.

    No offense intended.
     

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