Mom calls 911 to help suicidal son, police decide to help son by killing him

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All we have to go on that the kid was not a threat is the families word, the same family that called 911, I was not there but I have heard a lot of moms crying over their dead criminal sons saying that the police didn't have to shoot their little innocent babies who had just raped someone, stole a car, robbed somebody ect...
 
folks like that

are a tuff call. i deal with em regular and wear a vest. and these are folks i know. suicide is indeed an eyelash from homicide.i wouldn't let a guy like that run in a house with a weapon.taser mighta been nice but someone would badmouth that too.
 
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"Neck skin is not just skin. It's had millions of years of evolution to become very tough to get through. Ask a plastic surgeon about it and stop watching so many vampire movies A BULLET or piece of shrapnel will cut through it, but a knife will have a harder time. A drunk slashing at himself with some ordinary household blade is going to make a mess unless he gets really (un)lucky. And the pain of the surface wounds and blood will almost certainly be enough to shock him into sense."
ya think? i've seen a spoon run through a guys neck all the way through.
and this poor sob was tough/drunk enough to take multiple bean bag hits and stay up so i don't see the fantasy about the blood and pain making it in real life

interestingly enoigh we had a similar scene here with a friend 5 years ago. he had a knife had slashed himself and was theatening 3 sheriffs deputies . trying for suicide by cop.( he was a real cop hater and an ex cop)
the young men took a chance one distracted him and another spear tackled him then they swarmed him. saved his but. if i was their supervisor it would be a tough call to praise or berate them for taking the chance. oh and by the way art is an ungrateful cop hater still. who can figure
 
For the people thinking that the police could have talked to this young man and he would have of course behaved in a rational manner, don't you think that if this had a chance in hell of working, it would have worked when the parents tried to talk to him? It obviously didn't work, or they wouldn't have called the police. So now you think complete strangers are going to have better luck? Nothing is a harder call to deal with than a emotional disturbed person. It may not seem like it sitting in your easy chair typing on the computer, but it is one of the easiest ways to get yourself or some innocent persons killed if you mess up.

The police here may not have acted in a perfect manner. But, sometimes, perfect is the enemy of good enough. This one was good enough for a tough situation.
 
"And your second assertion, that the officers could be sued for failure to act, is also very badly misinformed. They could sue, but their suit would be thrown out on its ear. LEO's are not subject to liability for refusing to act and can do so any time the situation appears too dangerous or if they decide there are higher priorities to attend to".

Again do you think before speaking?

An officers immunity from a suit extends only to not having to protect an individual.
An officer CANNOT refuse to act if the situation seems dangerous or there or other priorites. If an officer is on scene of a situation like this and he turns and leaves, then he and is department IS liable. Several states also have crimanal penalties for suchs acts. I also assure you his job is over and license revoked.

The drivel your are spilling is mind boggling. :rolleyes:
 
An officers immunity from a suit extends only to not having to protect an individual.
An officer CANNOT refuse to act if the situation seems dangerous or there or other priorites. If an officer is on scene of a situation like this and he turns and leaves, then he and is department IS liable. Several states also have crimanal penalties for suchs acts. I also assure you his job is over and license revoked.

The drivel your are spilling is mind boggling.

I've been trying to keep this on the high road but you're trying me. I'm not sure why you feel a need to launch insults at me with every post.

The police are always free to retreat or withdraw if they deem the situation too dangerous to themselves. The special relationship exception, if it comes into play, does not mandate heroic action. Moreover, simply responding to a crime does not create the requisite special relationship with the suspect or potential victims unless the victims are minors and subject to earlier state supervision for neglect. Usually they can't just go home for the night if there's a guy shooting up the town, but then again maybe they can. Look at New Orleans, where most of the LEO's either skipped town or hunkered down in fortified buildings. And they can also decide there is no crime, which they might have done here.

For example, I called the cops when I heard what I thought for sure was one man brutally beating another in a room of a hotel in Spenard. The cops came and it was ONE DAMN GUY who was so nuts he was beating himself up WHILE BEGGING HIMSELF TO STOP! The cops left after warning him to keep the noise down, since he's free to beat the crap out of himself as long as he does it quietly. And so he did. If you know Spenard, you know I'm not making that up ;-)

A classic case for retreat would be a DV call where the husband has a rifle and keeps his family hostage. The responding officers can (and probably should) deem the situation too dangerous to themselves to attempt to enter the house even if that choice dooms the family.

Since we're talking about Oregon, the case of Buchler v. State By and Through Oregon Corrections Div., 853 P.2d 798 (Or. 1993) discusses these principles when addressing potential liability for crimes of an escaped convict. See also McAlpine v. Multnomah County, 131 Or.App. 136, 883 P.2d 869 (1994)where the court held that the police owed no actionable duty to arrest a suspect under investigation after warrant was issued in a case where the suspect had injured the plaintiff after the warrant was in effect. Going to investigate a crime does not place the suspect "in custody" to the extent that the police are responsible for harm he causes under the Restatement principle of special relationship to third parties.

In a hypothetical case, the police who are called to a potential suicide can also decide no crime is at issue. Though as a practical matter a guy screaming and running around with a knife may be reasonably seen as a threat to others depending on circumstances. I have no idea if that's what took place here or not.

ya think? i've seen a spoon run through a guys neck all the way through.

A shiv/spoon or a dull dinner spoon? Did the guy do it to himself?

In any case, what crime exactly would a person be committing by trying to slash their own neck open? It's not a situation where calling 911 is proper unless they're threatening someone else. If they're just jabbing themselves, that's their business not yours.
 
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He was stupid to have drank that much. But I've done it, and I'm sure many other posters have (I've never gotten to the point of causing harm to anyone though). His mom was stupid to call the cops and expect them to act as psychiatrists. If she has anymore children, I suspect she won't make that mistake again.
I believe the cops were very wrong in this too. Stop trying to kill yourself or we'll kill you? Whether or not he really wanted to die, he did. Too late now. On a local radio station today the aunt of the kid called and said he dropped the knife after getting hit by the bean bags and started to run toward the house when he was shot in the back. She also said he was never threatening to anybody in the house, just himself, and the only reason the parents were in the house was because the cops ordered them to get inside. Now maybe that's true and maybe it's not. But I think most kids when getting jolted into reality would want to run away from the guys with the guns pointed at them and get behind mommy and daddy.
Imagine if it had been a CCW holder that shot this kid.
I wasn't there and neither were any of you. That's just my take on it.
 
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