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Moral quandary- To call, or not to call?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by FourNineFoxtrot, Aug 17, 2008.

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  1. FourNineFoxtrot

    FourNineFoxtrot Member

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    Sorry if this is OT, maybe it belongs in S&T or Legal, or a different forum... but I figure that, by the time it gets locked, I'll have made up my mind one way or the other.


    About half an hour ago, I was woken up from a not-so-sound sleep by the unmusical cries of wailing children and arguing adults in the apartment upstairs from mine. The walls and floors are thin in my apartment complex, so I hear things like this a lot. Worse, they (my upstairs neighbors) stomp around a lot, making the windows shake. In fact, they make an unholy racket, generally. So to wake me up, this was really above and beyond.

    The windows start rattling a lot more, as though in time to impacts. The children wail and I hear a woman's voice again, and I think the wailing was in time to the impacts. I may have heard actual strikes land, but I'm not sure. In short, I strongly suspect that my upstairs neighbor was beating the hell out of his wife and kids.

    That's the thing. It sure sounded like it, but I'm not 100% sure. I'm also not sure that the police would or could do anything on my word. And I'm not at all sure that the police won't ineffectually harass the guy a little, but fail to do anything but give him a pretty good idea of who's been ratting him out. And I really don't need that kind of hassle.

    So here I am. It's probably about 40 minutes after this happened. I spent that time wondering that, if anything, I should do, and I just don't know.

    Call, or not?
     
  2. Aaryq

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    Call...now. Get off your computer and call the police
     
  3. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Ah, the hell with it. Maybe I just needed to put in words before I acted. Don't know what I expected by posting it.

    I'm calling now.

    Christ, I hate this part.
     
  4. Duke Junior

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    You're doing the right thing.A life could be at stake.
     
  5. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Yeah... my own. Haha.

    Crap.

    Seriously, though... thanks Duke Junior, and Aaryq

    I made the call. Dispatcher said they'd be around soon. Guess I'll have a smoke while I wait to see the show.
     
  6. bogie

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    Is this the same guy who was all bent out of shape because of his downstairs neighbor?

    And now we have an upstairs neighbor?

    One must either throw a few baseballs under the bridge, or question "son, if you think there's a problem, why the bleep are you posting about it on the interwebz, and not calling the po-lice?"

    If there is a problem, the po-po are a damn fine place to start. And if there isn't a problem, well, they're a damn fine place to finish.
     
  7. MT GUNNY

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    THR 25 min to respond cops arrive 8 min after that.........................................
     
  8. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Bogie-

    Uh, what?

    Think you've got me confused with somebody. Never had a downstairs neighbor.

    As for why I posted it... damned if I know. Guess I needed to record the event in words before I felt I was sure enough to act. Wouldn't mind if this thread disappeared into the Magical Graveyard of Lost Threads and Stupid Ideas, now that it's served it's purpose.
     
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    I saw a show one time where a person saw a crime and only when she said she saw it did anyone do anything about it, Human nature I guess.
     
  10. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Puts me in mind of the old Kitty Genovese case. Read about it in a psych class one time. Some 30-odd people saw her murdered, nary a soul called 5-0. Speaking of human nature.

    In light of that, I feel a bit better about calling. At least I ain't one of those people. Score 1 for Foxtrot's soul, should such a thing exist.
     
  11. MT GUNNY

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    Have they showed up yet
     
  12. FourNineFoxtrot

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    I just heard a siren. Maybe that's them. Most likely not. I'm not exactly looking out my window, so I don't know.
     
  13. Treo

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    So did the cops show up?
     
  14. FourNineFoxtrot

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    If they have, they were right sneaky about it. I don't know if they'll bother talking to me or not, but I haven't heard or seen anything, except for a siren that came and went. Wasn't them.

    She said they'd come. That doesn't mean they will, though.
     
  15. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Cops are here, and there a-knockin on the guy's door. Guess we'll see... well, hear... how this plays out.
     
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    Last time I called the cops about something, they took about 20 minutes to show.

    In an urban area.

    Which is why I call the cops, but also have a boomstick handy.
     
  17. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Think they left, pretty much right after knocking. Well, that was anti-climactic. Just hope they didn't say something like, "By the way, your downstairs neighbor, a Mr. F. N. Foxtrot, called on you. Good night."
     
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    I don't know. It all sounds 'iffy' to me.

    I can remember getting my butt spanked with a willow branch when I did something wrong. It and my brother could both raise a racket, esp since we usually got into trouble together.

    We always knew we deserved it and tried never to get caught again:evil:

    Now I was never there. Maybe it was loud enough to be suspicious. Maybe there is enough cause to say "better safe than sorry." Maybe you are saving a child from an abusive parent.

    But from the sounds of it...

    I know it would have been embarrassing to all parties involved if the neighbors had called the cops on my mom.
     
  19. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Didn't sound like a spanking or a switching. Sounded like Slappy up there was giving his progeny a taste of the backhand, and maybe a boot toe or a shove into the wall for good measure. And the woman sounded scared, argumentative, but scared.

    Listen, I don't really know, or even much care what went on. I did what I could. Now I just hope Ol' Slappy doesn't come downstairs for round two. I'd much rather get some sleep.
     
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    Okay. Like I said, I wasn't there and didn't mean to be judgmental. I just don't like getting involved in other people's business unless I have a really good reason to believe I belong there. That and I inherently distrust cops and try to only get them involved when absolutely necessary and only as a last resort.

    I hope everything turns out for the best.
     
  21. FourNineFoxtrot

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    So do I, friend. Didn't much like the idea of calling up 5-0, myself. That's why it took me an hour to decide. MYOB is pretty much a life philosophy for me, and it rubbed me the wrong way to have to call.

    But I figured I'd rather be a meddling jerk, and wrong, than apathetic, and right about my suspicions up there.

    Don't guess it matters either way, as the police spent about 90 seconds on it, and decided they had better things to do. Whatever.
     
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    Let's put it all in perspective. If you were the kids would you want someone to call?
     
  23. FourNineFoxtrot

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    Well, it doesn't look like anything more is going to happen tonight. I finished my smoke, and I figure I'll try and get some sleep. I'll worry some more in the morning, over coffee. I take my worry with cream and sugar. Or, alternatively, neat and with a soda chaser... but I'm not in the mood for that tonight.

    Good night, folks. Thanks for the replies.
     
  24. AStone

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    That happens.

    A few years ago, I called in a suspicious activity in the sandlot next door.
    Guy was striping wires out of stolen electronics.

    When the police arrived, he tried to run (had a warrant).
    They captured him, then as they held him in the lot,
    they came and knocked on my door to question me.

    :what:

    So much for discretion.
     
  25. MTMilitiaman

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    And the fact that the BoR specifically says they have the right not only to be told what they are being accused of but who is accusing them is irrelevant?

    I think "discretion" is specifically what the Framers were looking to avoid.
     
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