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More Brady hypocrisy

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Zen21Tao, Jun 7, 2007.

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  1. Zen21Tao

    Zen21Tao Member

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    http://www.bradycampaign.org/bradyreport/2007/may/video/
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    Wow... not moments before saying it is "illegitimate... to edit the Constitution" he himself edits the Constitution so he can misquote the 2nd Amendment.
     
  2. TallPine

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    Geeze... the Brady Bunch is actually having a panic attack over Parker.

    Maybe it will eventually become the Roe vs Wade of gun rights :)
     
  3. illspirit

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    But wait, I thought the Brady's don't want to ban gun. Why are they moaning that the pistol ban got overturned and that the MG ban might too? They're not lying about not wanting to ban guns, are they? :rolleyes:
     
  4. jselvy

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    How can the reaffirmation of the Constitution be a radical decision?


    Jefferson
     
  5. ServiceSoon

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    If you read the federalist papers it clearly enforces the right of the individual to bear arms. How can the "Brady Bunch" or "Brady Few," more accuratly described view it any other way?
     
  6. lamazza

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    Did they forget a few words in there somewhere?
     
  7. duckandcover

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    Um, yeah. something about "the people"?
     
  8. Standing Wolf

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    The leftist extremists conveniently forgot about we, the people a long, long time ago.
     
  9. nico

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    . . . not to mention that he misrepresented the Miller decision. In that case, the ruling (which was given in the absence of a defendant or defense attorney), was that a sawed off shotgun wasn't protected by the 2A because it's not a weapon of the militia. It made no reference as to whether membership in a militia was a prerequisite to owning a weapon of the militia, and made no attempt to define the militia.
     
  10. FlaXD

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    It is so hard (and painful) to laugh and throw up at the same time.:barf:
     
  11. eric_t12

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    i laugh whenever i read their stuff.

    if their goal is really 'safety for american people' or something like it, i applaud them.

    what i do NOT applaud, is their lack-of or complete misuse of statistics, and (for me anyway) common sense. for the same reasons we all already know. Namely, that you can't legislate against someone who commits crimes, because they are already (inherently in the name criminal) not following law. it only limits those who deem it necessary to follow the law.

    like i said, its all stuff we all already know on here, and mostly anywhere common sense reigns...

    -1 for the Brady Campaigns faults
     
  12. jselvy

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    I'm kinda glad that they are reacting like this. t gives credence to the idea that this may be a landmark decision that may open a door to the removal of all of the other damn silly laws.
    Look at 'em run:)

    Jefferson
     
  13. Zen21Tao

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    I actually think the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun groups are their own worst enemies.

    We live in "the information age" where a simple Google search can being up a wealth of facts and statistics. Groups like the Brady's used to be able to disseminate all the lies, falsehoods and fear mongering without fear of rebuttals when it wasn't so easy to research their claims. But now, thanks to the power of the internet, their claims can be researched and their myths dispelled.

    However, instead of recognizing this and revamping their methods as to only support small measures they have a chance at justifying in the eyes of the public, they still show up to throw their support behind anything and everything anti-gun no matter what it is.

    For example, they try to present themselves as a group that wants to aid law enforcement in fighting crime but what does their actions show the American public?

    Instead of a group that stands behind the law, the public see a group that supports handgun bans that the Supreme Court has ruled unconstitutional, a group that supports the gun confiscations of Hurricane Katrina that were also ruled unconstitutional and a group that supports the Mayors Coalition even when the coalition's actions have been deemed to be illegal, a jeopardy to ongoing federal law enforcement stings, and a danger to the lives of federal agents involved in such stings.

    In addition that Brady Campaign supports Tiahrt Amendment even though the ATF itself says it would jeopardized their ability to conduct investigation. IMHO, groups like The Brady campaign are becoming more and more marginalized as the public sees through them and loses a lot more respect for them.
     
  14. the pistolero

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    We do indeed live in an age where such actions may be taken, but who's to say the public at large takes the advantage of that as it should? I've said it elsewhere, and I'll say it here too: If the American people were anywhere near as informed, educated and active as they should be, gun control as envisioned by Handgun Control and its ilk would be six feet under and Dennis Henigan and his cohorts would long ago have been dismissed for what they are.
     
  15. Redneck with a 40

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    Pistolero is right, there is a large group of people that will take what the BC says as "fact", without doing any research, people are lazy. The BC also plays to people's emotions with their jargon. The BC will say "30 people are killed every day by gunfire". However, this little factoid is highly dis-honest, the BC does NOT seperate crimes from accidents and they include people up to age 24 as children. This is merely one example of the blatant deception the BC uses to advance their agenda.

    The best resource I've found to rebuke the BC crap is www.gunfacts.info.:D
     
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    Wow! She should have read the Court's entire ruling on that. This is precisely what the Court did. It is amazing how they spin things around when it suits them.
     
  17. armedandsafe

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    Actually, what the Court's decision said was that they couldn't address the question of whether the gun was covered under the militia portion of the Amendment, because there was no evidence nor argument presented by the defense covering this subject.

    (emphasis added by ecr)

    Pops
     
  18. Zen21Tao

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    Part of the point I intended to make is that in many cases John Q. Public doesn't even have to do the research himself because their is someone else able to do it for him. Before the age of the internet counter facts were not so easy to look up, but now they are. This is much like members of the public being able to discredit the forged letter regarding Bush's military record leaked to Dan Rather and 60 minutes.

    Facts and statistics are so easy to look up that even rebuttals can be made on the Brady's own website for fence sitters to see. In fact, over on the Brady blog we have the comments section filled with pro-gun people using sited facts and statistics to tear tearing apart the Brady's anti-gun arguments. Fence sitters that go there find, not only the poor non-sited Brady info, but also our rebuttals.

    For example, when they claim a rather high accident/crime rate among "children", we provide quoted statistics from the DOJ, CDC, FBI, etc. showing that their figures only work is a "child" is defined as anyone under 24 and then showing the read figures that coincide with what most people consider a child (someone under 15).

    Another example is just recently the Brady's attempted argue against CCW laws saying that "thousands of concealed carry licensees in Florida have had their licenses revoked for atrocious gun crimes." I looked up this figure and found around 897 licensees had indeed been revoked but there was no statement as to why each was revoked. Giving the BC the benefit of the doubt and letting them have the entire 897 figure, I concluded that 897/200,000 licenses meant only a 0.04% violent crime rate among CCW license holders. This is number is so small compared to the national (or state) average including all person that is shows CCW to be a overall success. I also provided references so fence sitters could look up my figures if they wish.
     
  19. LAR-15

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    I hope not.

    R v W was a bad SCOTUS decision.
     
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    ------quote-------
    R v W was a bad SCOTUS decision
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    I agree RvW is shaky from a constituitonal law standpoint, but at least it solved that sticky abortion controversy once and for all :rolleyes:
     
  21. Carl N. Brown

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    Gee, I have bothered to read both the Miller decision and the
    Parker decision and the Brady/HCI spin is bad enough to open
    a wormhole in the space-time continuum.

    Not to mention Henigan dropping "of the people" from the text
    of the second amendment.

    Anything you can do wrong with a gun is already against the
    law--murder, assault, armed robbery, reckless endangerment--
    ENFORCE THOSE LAWS. All these nit picking definitions of
    "good" versus "bad" gun and most restrictions on legal sales
    and ownership only affect the law abiding.

    Brady/HCI has promoted some of the most useless and pointless
    laws in existance.
     
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