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More England/U.S. Comparisons

Discussion in 'Legal' started by Bartholomew Roberts, Jun 11, 2004.

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  1. Bartholomew Roberts

    Bartholomew Roberts Moderator Emeritus

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    Nice article by Howard Nemerov in the San Francisco ChronWatch.

    What Gun Controllers Don't Want You to Know
    Written by Howard Nemerov
    Friday, June 11, 2004


    I used to support gun control, meaning civilian disarmament. There was no reason, the rationale went, for a private citizen to own a gun. The only ones who wanted guns had small genitalia, were paranoid crazies, and criminals.

    http://www.chronwatch.com/content/contentDisplay.asp?aid=7862

    I'm interested in the commentary from our English members.
     
  2. agricola

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    bart,

    Its rubbish, for the same reason that so many other of these "studies" are - it has such an obvious axe to grind that the conclusion of looking objectively at the facts (that there is no link between guns and violent crime) is used to demonstrate the theory that taking away guns from the public increases crime (thus showing there is a link between guns and violent crime).

    Specifically, there is a number of problematic areas:

    this summary of the British political system is both laughably simplistic and laughably wrong - one of the two houses is in no way "democratic", we (in essence) have two executives (the Crown, and the Government), and the judiciary is blended in with the legislature (the House of Lords is the highest court in the land).

    this is utterly wrong because it assumes that in 1992 there was a comparable situation in terms of gun control between the US and the UK. There wasnt - there were (with very few exceptions) no "self defence" licenced firearms, and the Firearms Act post-Hungerford pre-Dunblane was probably the strictest set of controls in the world at that time.

    this is a statement that is demonstrably wrong - shotguns and rifles remain in private ownership here.

    Increases in rape (which are accepted across the world to be chronically underreported) show increased confidence in the system in its ability to prosecute rapists. Child abduction and Child Neglect are offences which are in very many cases committed by those known to the child - parents, family members etc - and not the random stranger, as the author so desperately tries to claim.

    this again is utterly wrong - the official statistics show murders initially classified as a murder, as well as those convicted as such.

    see the top of my post.

    its for the children
    :rolleyes: :barf:
     
  3. boofus

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    There is no crime in Britain. It is a lie of the American satans.
    I have seen no violent criminals here.
    All the criminals commit suicide in the countryside.
    No one is a victim of crime here.
     
  4. moa

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    I never did understand why folks are tempted to compare the United States to any other country. Seems me that the US is unique in its own way on number of fronts.
     
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    "There is no crime in Britain. It is a lie of the American satans.
    I have seen no violent criminals here.
    All the criminals commit suicide in the countryside.
    No one is a victim of crime here."

    Yep thats real funny, if a total strawman. We get the joke.

    Now, is there any chance you could actually post something meaningful that contradicts Agricola?
     
  6. JohnBT

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    England is a tad larger than twice the size of Ohio. 93k sq. mi. vs. 44k.

    Nice country. Fine people generally. Love London.

    Otherwise a small unimportant country. I suppose that's one of the reasons my dad's kin left there 250+ years ago.

    Who cares what they do as long as they don't want to refight the Revolutionary War. ;)

    John
     
  7. agricola

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    bumped to prevent burial
     
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    That he supports the worship of drivel?

    John
     
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    JohnBT...

    I think you are very close to nailing it.

    Ron
     
  11. agricola

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    Tim Lambert is one of the few people who actually appears to be interested in the facts of the UK/US issue. The article has been debunked, it is clearly rubbish. None of you have acknowledged this, or offered a counter-argument. None of this surprises me.

    edit: oh, and F4GIB its called a signature
     
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