Would you mind listing them? I don't see how there have been a whole bunch...?
more guns or ammo??
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Would you mind listing them? I don't see how there have been a whole bunch...?
Ignition Override
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Imagine the price of our all-American Remington and Winchester .303 ammo if there were a large tariff on reloadable Boxer-primed ammo from countries such as Serbia (any country), i.e. Prvi Partizan.
K-31 guys use GP-11 from der Schweiz, and we have hordes of MN shooters choosing various imported 7.62x54R etc.
It might be a good while before the US decides to join the UN Small Arms Treaty, if ever.
But in the case where the US decides to 'jump onboard', isn't imported ammo at risk of either a cost increase or a prohibition?
Maybe a future Supreme Court Appointee will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and most of my preferred ammo is imported.
The SKS and Enfields etc will still be here. And even if none of these events come to pass, ammo will still not get any cheaper...
just the value of the US dollar.
K-31 guys use GP-11 from der Schweiz, and we have hordes of MN shooters choosing various imported 7.62x54R etc.
It might be a good while before the US decides to join the UN Small Arms Treaty, if ever.
But in the case where the US decides to 'jump onboard', isn't imported ammo at risk of either a cost increase or a prohibition?
Maybe a future Supreme Court Appointee will be the straw that breaks the camel's back, and most of my preferred ammo is imported.
The SKS and Enfields etc will still be here. And even if none of these events come to pass, ammo will still not get any cheaper...
just the value of the US dollar.
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Glad you liked it, but I think I need to amend it. Or clarify rather that m is the monthly round count through each gun, not total. Otherwise you get hammered a bit too hard! I just did the calc for my n centerfires and p .22's and figure I shoot about 100 rounds on average through each one a month (obviously I shoot a lot more through some...but some kinda just sit more than others) and about a 20% "concern" for significant legislation or scenarios where I'd want a ton more. And I came up with something a bit more than what I do have, but not by much.
The other thing is you don't have to go out one day and buy it all at once. Ordering in bulk helps, but what I did for the longest time, was every time I went shooting, I'd buy 4 boxes of ammo, shoot 3 and save 1. It eventually adds up to a nice little reserve. Again I am not so concerned about SHTF or anything, but if there is another panic, I am glad I have a few thousand rounds of ammo stocked up to get me through it.
And I wholeheartedly agree about the mags. At least 5 mags for each gun is a good rule of thumb....I actually need to buy a few more but it is tough when some mags cost upwards of $40 even online.
i couldn't remember all in my head so i looked online, here are just what i found in a short time. Feb.- OHIO, April-OK., July-CO., Aug-WIS,N.Y.,ILL., Sept.-MINN., Oct.- WIS., MI.
W.E.G.
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When the move exceeds 100 cans, and nearly as many firearms, and god-only-knows how much reloading components, tools, and shooting outfits, you will find yourself asking: "What was I thinking?"
Especially if the "gun stuff" task takes an entire day just for an across-town move, and you have to enlist your significant other to assist in the inventory and labor.
Certaindeaf
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Boohoo! Good thing it's not quadruple the weight in gold or you'd really gripe. lolz
Boohoo! Good thing it's not quadruple the weight in gold or you'd really gripe. lolz
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Political pundit Dick Morris (www.dickmorris.com) says its nearly a certainty during the upcoming the lame duck session. He explains it well on his site.
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Given the guns the OP has now, the concerns he has and money being tight, I'd buy an AR lower ($89 or less) or three, then a used Glock 17 or Ruger P95 or S&W 5906 (($250-$350) and a minimum 12 magazines each for the AR and handgun.
I'd also buy a box or two of ammo every other trip to Walmart.
I'd also buy a box or two of ammo every other trip to Walmart.
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Certaindeaf
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If I only had one gun it'd be a fairly powerful and accurate full-size semi-auto pistol. I see you don't have any sort of centerfire handgun. One can do with it about all that your guns can do (kill small to medium size game) but none of your guns can do what it can do.. be on your person at all times and still do the aforementioned.
huntsman
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I don't think either you or the friend are wrong or right, your plan is more along the lines of what I'm doing but I’ve just about got all the guns I want and at 53 I’m trying to make sure I can continue to shoot what I have regardless of future laws or costs.
I don't recognize most of these as anything at all
Reloadron
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You buy what you can afford to buy. As to guns or ammunition? That depends totally on your own situation and circumstances. Sorry you had a bad year but beanies and weenies come first when you have a family so you do what you have to do to make ends meet.
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Goin with the majority and saying AMMO!
Apachedriver
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The thing is, it's not what you recognize these to be as much as what the media makes it out to be to the rest of the country.
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I don't recognize many of them at all.
So far as I can tell you made a claim and you have presented absolutely nothing to support it.
Please tell me you aren't listing the New York incident where one individual tracked down and murdered one other individual over a personal vendetta...
Apachedriver
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Slow your roll.
I didn't make a claim about anything. I injected an opinion about the media's roll in playing anything up that is gun-related regardless of circumstances.
You have me mixed up with old fart.
ugh
My apologies, then. The lack of avatars + the lack of a real quote system makes it easy for that happen. At least for me.
Fishslayer
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Click on the little quill & page at the bottom right.
Check the "Quote message in reply?" box at bottom left
Click "Go Advanced"
"Voila'!" Kind of unwieldy but quotes can be done.
i just googled (shootings in 2012) it popped up as mass shootings, i do agree the media will always make it bigger than the real story. but any time someone is gunned down its one too many, and it bothers me that a few of these shooters were everyday law abiding citizens until that day. but all the politicians will here is mass shooting and will be pressured in doing something to show that they care for the victims and must prove it. don't get me wrong, i'm as strong of supporter of the 2nd amendment as anyone and a member of the nra. i am worried though because if a run on ammo happens again, while we wait for supply's to replenish laws could get passed that will make it harder to get even if we have the money. thanks
The politicians will not hear "mass shooting" for one individual killing one other individual he has a vendetta against.
The-Reaver
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Ammo is all I need now.
Ammo is all I need now.
mabe not, but if the shooter was legally able to own a gun before the shooting it will not look good for the rest of us legal gun owners. if more law abiding citizens go off the deep end and shoot someone, its going to hurt the arguement we have been trying to get out to everyone, that new gun laws only hurt the law abiding citizen and not the criminal. thanks
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Skimmed the replies, didn't read them in detail.
There are many factors that can make the availability of either a firearm or ammo scarce.
Here is my opinion on the rifles one should have:
.22LR
.30-06
With those two you can hunt efficiently and take down anything you want.
(A .308, .270, etc., to me essentially fill the same role as a .30-06).
In the hand gun department I recommend any one of the following:
9mm
40 S&W
.357 Magnum
Doesn't matter which brand, etc., you pick.
A firearm without ammo is, like has been stated, a paper weight, in that it doesn't serve its purpose.
.30-06, 100 rounds of quality hunting ammo. I am thinking 165 Grain at least.
Pistol, 500 rounds of quality ammo.
.22LR, 1000 rounds.
Also, everyone should have a 12 gauge shotgun. A variety of shells, some for dove sized birds, some for pheasant, some for rabbit, some for self defense, and if you don't have the .30-06, some slugs too.
War time could put such a burden on ammo supply that it is impossible to get an for the civilian market.
Possible laws to make ammo difficult to acquire will be challenged to show if such laws infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. This depends on the Supreme Court.
If one imagines the worst, cuts that in half, and prepares for that, you will be more prepared than most.
Buying guns and ammo as an investment is an individual preference. While you typically don't loose money it is difficult to make any as well, but if inflation is the issue, then hard goods are good to have.
I pray that my guns and ammo will continue to be for home defense and pleasure shooting and nothing more. Good friends and neighbors are just as important, maybe more so. Living in a safe place is more important. If you are surrounded by trouble, then get out, move, evacuate, don't wait until a Katrina hits and you are in the middle of a crap storm. Just my opinion.
There are many factors that can make the availability of either a firearm or ammo scarce.
Here is my opinion on the rifles one should have:
.22LR
.30-06
With those two you can hunt efficiently and take down anything you want.
(A .308, .270, etc., to me essentially fill the same role as a .30-06).
In the hand gun department I recommend any one of the following:
9mm
40 S&W
.357 Magnum
Doesn't matter which brand, etc., you pick.
A firearm without ammo is, like has been stated, a paper weight, in that it doesn't serve its purpose.
.30-06, 100 rounds of quality hunting ammo. I am thinking 165 Grain at least.
Pistol, 500 rounds of quality ammo.
.22LR, 1000 rounds.
Also, everyone should have a 12 gauge shotgun. A variety of shells, some for dove sized birds, some for pheasant, some for rabbit, some for self defense, and if you don't have the .30-06, some slugs too.
War time could put such a burden on ammo supply that it is impossible to get an for the civilian market.
Possible laws to make ammo difficult to acquire will be challenged to show if such laws infringe on the right to keep and bear arms. This depends on the Supreme Court.
If one imagines the worst, cuts that in half, and prepares for that, you will be more prepared than most.
Buying guns and ammo as an investment is an individual preference. While you typically don't loose money it is difficult to make any as well, but if inflation is the issue, then hard goods are good to have.
I pray that my guns and ammo will continue to be for home defense and pleasure shooting and nothing more. Good friends and neighbors are just as important, maybe more so. Living in a safe place is more important. If you are surrounded by trouble, then get out, move, evacuate, don't wait until a Katrina hits and you are in the middle of a crap storm. Just my opinion.
Weg, you bring back some painful memories here.
By the time I was done moving to my home in 2007, every one of my family members that I rounded up to help... hated me.. and my damn gun /ammo collection.
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