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(More) IWB/OWB Holster Talk

Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by ezypikns, Jan 22, 2006.

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  1. ezypikns

    ezypikns Member

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    I'm attempting to carry a PM9 in a High Noon Mr. Softy IWB holster. Not too bad when I'm sittting down, but how in the world do you keep the thing from diiging into your hip when you walk? Incidentally, I've got a few extra pounds but I'm not what you'd call fat.
    Wearing at about 4:00 on RH (strong) side. If I don't cinch my gun belt (and it's a good, stout 1 1/4" wide gun belt) pretty tight, it begins to go south. The Mr. Softy is a pretty minimal holster (thin soft leather).
    Should I pop for a Milt Sparks Summer Special? Is there really that much comfort difference between 'bargain' and the more expensive holsters? The other thing is, The Kahr is a thin, small profile weapon. Maybe I should look at OWB carry? I'd want an extremely high rise holster for concealability.

    All opinions are welcome.
     
  2. Inline_6

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    I recommend the McDaniel II from Andrews Leather. It comfortably hides a full size gun quite easily so a Kahr will disappear. I can even wear my USP45 Compact under an untucked t-shirt.

    The belt loop angle is adjustible to whatever fits you and being behind the gun, it pulls it in closely to your body.

    http://www.andrewsleather.com/macdaniel2.htm
     
  3. Iggy

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    There is a huge difference..

    It sounds like your rig is diggin' in.. You might seriously consider a holster like the VMII with the wider set belt attachments.. or others made in a similar manner by Alessi, Brommeland, HBE etc.

    They spread the weight and pressure points over a wider area of your hip..

    Think snowshoe!!

    The money you spend on a good holster will be well worth it in comfort over the years.

    If you go with a very high ride holster, the money you spend again is worth it in the structural integrity and design you will get from a custom rig..

    Too high and too cheap means the holster will allow the gun to tip out and over.

    Talk to the various custom holsters makers and get the input from the masters. The money you spend on phone calls will pay off with interest down the line.
     
  4. meef

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    I can relate to the irritation of wearing an IWB holster. I just don't see how people do it - and I've tried a lot of them. A lot of expensive, big-name brand ones, believe me.

    I have a Kahr PM9 and as small as it is, I can't abide the IWB route even with it.

    But.... I also have a Kahr P40 and here's a link to a great, VERY comfortable, very high-riding OWB holster by Fist that I can wear all day long and hardly even notice it's there - the K2 Kydex High Ride. Extremely comfortable, extremely concealable.

    Just be sure to tell them I sent you so I get my cut.....:D

    http://www.fist-inc.com/holsters/k1/K2.htm
     
  5. Babalouie

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    I carry a Taurus Millunnium pro in a Tucker Texas Heritage. Having not carried IWB before I found that making a small change foward or back on the belt made a big difference in comfort. The Tucker is also adjustable up and down and since it has two belt clips, one on either end of the holster, you can adjust the angle it sits on the belt. Although it will never be as comfortable as not carry a weapon I have found that I often forget I am carrying. So I guess thats comfortable enough. Here's the link http://store.yahoo.com/rlcompanyusa/tugu.html
     
  6. usp9

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    Suggest you view KD holsters. Kevin makes a very nice OWB for small guns, IWB, and fine pocket holsters too. I personally use a "mini belt defender". It is easy to forget it's there.

    http://kdholsters.com/
     
  7. Jkwas

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    Two things you can do. I have a bare asset, the canted version of mr softy. I carry a snub nose, and the front sharp edge of the cylinder was killling my hip bone. I couldn't find a spot where it was comfortable for more than 20 minutes. I took a piece of leather that I cut from another holster (it was too long) and I roughed it up and the spot on the holster where the irritation was with a wire brush, and super glued it on to reinforce the problem area. That helped, but it wasn't perfect. I wear a 1.25" belt. Nothing special. So I pulled it up as high as possible on the belt so the hook was tucked underneath, skipped the right front loop on my pants so the top of the belt actually rides slightly higher than the waistband, and the holster still sticks down inside it. Made all the difference in the world. Before I did this, my cheap Uncle mikes iwb was more comfortable. Now they are about the same, but the high noon is much better quality. Play around with it some more and I'm sure you'll figure out a solution. good luck
     
  8. middy

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    I've just about given up on a comfortable IWB. I can conceal just as well with a high-ride pancake style OWB as long as I have some kind of loose cover shirt/jacket.
     
  9. bulbboy

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    +1 - He makes the best holsters!! Here is my Mini-Belt Defender. the first one is OWB and the 2nd is IWB the 3rd is a custom job he did for me with my initials on it.
    www.kdholsters.com
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  10. Black Majik

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    Since the PM9 is such a small gun, why not just carry it OWB. I doubt you'll print much with a good quality OWB holster. That gun is short and flat.

    Check out www.miltsparks.com for some awesome OWB holsters. The 60TK is a highride owb holster FYI, take a look at that.
     
  11. usp9

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    Bulbboy those are nice, but that bottom holster is spectacular.:D What is the leather? Is that a Kahr T9? Very nice with those grips. I'm impressed.
     
  12. bulbboy

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    Its anaconda skin. Kevin at K & D is a great craftsman - you would be surprised by his prices! The grips are Hogue grips made for Kahr. Its a Kahr MK9.
     
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    I suggest that you look at the Compact Undercover Rig from
    Kirkpatrick Leather of Laredo, Texas. Quality products, excellent
    customer service (and support), at affordable prices. Plus darn
    good people too do business with~!:cool: :D
     
  14. Khornet

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    Prolly a matter of individual anatomy

    because I have carried single-stack 1911s, double stack 1911s, and a Glockk 22 all day in all weathers in all types of clothing IWB with no problem. I use a Tucker TX Heritage and have no problems. Office, social events, yard work, even under my waders.

    Where you position that holster makes a huge difference, but I guess if a little Kahr is intolerable then you're just not built for IWB.
     
  15. Jiml3

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    I have a Kahr PM9 and purchased the "Extreme High Ride" holster from c-rusty sherrick .com. It is very slim as it is made out of horse hide and strong. Needless to say I am very pleased with it. It hugs the body very close making it
    very concealable. It is an out of the waist holster but if you prefer, he has in the waist holsters also. Check it out.
     
  16. pax

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    Yes, there can be.

    Before you trash the holster you've got, though, try moving it around on your belt. If 4 o'clock doesn't work, try 3 o'clock and then 2 o'clock.

    Also, a good wide gun belt often makes all the difference in the world. If your belt is flimsy or thin rather than wide and nearly rigid, invest in a good belt before you shell out the bucks for a new holster.

    Incidentally, a flimsy holster like Mr. Softy is a significant safety risk when holstering. Remember that you don't want your muzzle to cover any important body parts; that means, don't hold the holster open with your left hand while putting the firearm into the holster because you'll point straight at your hand. And don't go digging around your abdomen with the muzzle, trying to force the holster open. Instead, holster the weapon before you put it on your belt.

    pax
     
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    Big +1, went through the same BS. IWB is not comfortable no matter how you stack it.
    Funny you mention it, ordered this very holster.
     
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    I'm not big on spending big bucks on gun belts but quality holsters are well worth the money.

    I've been carrying my LW Cmdr in a Safariland K94 (I think it's discontinued but I'm sure there's a similar one). It didn't break the bank but even though it's kinda worn now it still holds securely and comfortably.

    I like it due to the leather covered (in and out) polymer liner. Strong and fitted, one-handed reholster capable, but it doesn't add a half inch of holster to the gun's width in my waistband.
     
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    I've gotta respectfully disagree with Carebear on ponying up for a QUALITY gun belt. While I'm certainly not an authority, I can say unconditionally that a good quality stiff wide (read 1 1/4" plus) gun belt will make a huge difference in comfort and utility.
     
  21. carebear

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    Take out the bolded word and I'd agree whole heartedly. I didn't say a cheap or weak belt. Just that a solid piece of leather doesn't have to say "Bianchi" or "Galco" or anything else to properly support a gun. Any good quality, heavy duty, leather belt will do as well and you aren't paying twice the cost for someone's name or logo.

    I should have put the "gun" in my statement in quotes.
     
  22. mec

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    A lot of people just can't stand an IWB but for those who can, this Sparks VMII is a good one:
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    Why is one of your magazines backwards? They should be carried with bullets facing forward.
     
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    The practice a few years ago among the competitive shooters was to place them this way so the shooter's index finger would ride along the leading edge of the magazine and serve to guide it into the magazine well. placing the rear magazine "backwards" made this possible without fumbling.
     
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    As long as you train with them that way, they can be upside down or even perpendicular to your body. Makes concealment tougher though. :D
     
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