More scenarios from Willie's Book of Life

Discussion in 'Strategies, Tactics and Training' started by Willie Sutton, Jul 1, 2014.

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  1. Madcap_Magician

    Madcap_Magician Member

    Apr 8, 2009
    Willie should have his own subforum.
  2. ElToro

    ElToro Member

    Jan 29, 2003
    Bay Area, PRK
    I call BS on the guy "falling asleep" sounds like a good story he told as they ditched the weapon they were gonna try to rob you with as the cop pulled up. I think everyone involved is lucky the cop showed up when he did.
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  3. Willie Sutton

    Willie Sutton Member

    Apr 28, 2013
    ^^ I don't think so. The most noisy yelling was by the guy in the middle yelling at the driver, who was contrite and pretty shaken. The third guy was the one who came down with the flashlight to see if I was OK.

    But you never know.


  4. tyeo098

    tyeo098 Member

    Jul 5, 2010
    The Old Dominion
    They were pacing with you and starin' at you through the window?
    Then tried to pass and run you off the road? That's ill intent if I ever saw one.

    No one follows a car doing 50 down I95 when the speed limit is 75 without some personal gain in mind.

    Me? Had I noted I was being cased, I and the empty highway allowed for it, I would have stopped the car right there and waited. Phone 911. If they stopped as well, wait for them to exit their vehicle and punch it.
    If they passed and moved on, well thats the next guy's problem.

    Had I already been run off the road and they were coming to 'check on me?' I would have palmed the revolver at my 6 and waited. If they produced a weapon and made demands, give 'em lead poisoning.

    The whole thing sounds sketchy. Avoid drawing at all costs, but if the time comes, let em fly.
  5. 200Apples
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    200Apples Member

    Jul 6, 2013
    Los Angeles

    Cool story, bro.


    Seriously, though... I wouldn't know what to do in that situation until it might happen to me. Brings to mind the text from an image I saw recently...

    "I don't need a gun.
    I have never needed a gun.
    I hope I never need a gun.
    And, in all likelihood, I will never need a gun.
    However, should I ever need a gun, I should have a gun.
    Therefore, I have a gun.
    [And if three dudes in a pickup ever run me off the road in the middle of the night, jam it into reverse, then empty their vehicle in my direction...
    that's when I'll need a gun.]"

    At that point I'd be in Condition Orange and staring at Condtion Red right in the face.

    What would today's great defensive trainers do? What would they suggest?...
    I like Mr. Sutton's advice: "It's always better to disengage and retreat than to stand, even if standing is possible."

    As for one's choices when "confronted by the guy on the bike"... that's a very tough call, because when motorcyclists act like jerks they can certainly take "jerk" to a whole 'nother level.

    Thanks, Willie! Your posts are always thought-provoking and/or enjoyable. Hahaha...

  6. HankR

    HankR Member

    Jan 14, 2011
    upper midwest
    Not totally ridiculous. If a guy is pretty much asleep and "zoning" he's going to match speed w/the traffic around him. Kind of on auto pilot. I tend to drive pretty stupid when I'm needing sleep. (yes, I already know it's not a good idea, I get it. Just saying that it's happened).
  7. Willie Sutton

    Willie Sutton Member

    Apr 28, 2013
    ^^ I think this... having been "in the zone" myself at the time....

    But you never know, and one of the lessons learned is that not everything is as it seems. That can go both ways: Good guys can seem like bad ones, and vice-versa.


  8. MachIVshooter

    MachIVshooter Member

    Aug 11, 2005
    Elbert County, CO
    That's my thought as well. None of us will ever truly know, but the precursors to them running Willie off the road don't sound very benign at all.

    Now, to answer the question posed before we became privy to the actual outcome......

    If I were alone and another car is pacing me, pulling along side, people peering in, then falling back behind and pacing again, I would make a judgement call based on many factors and do one of two things (bearing in mind we're talking pre-mobile phone days):

    1) Stop, let them go by and decide if I need to change course to avoid encountering them again or.....

    2) if I believe they are going to stop with me, I will hammer it until they are unwilling or unable to pace me, then find a good place to wait it out.

    In Willie's exact situation, we know that (despite his dislike of the vehicle), the Volare was almost certainly cable of outrunning and definitely able to out-handle a '78 or older Ford truck. The Mopar F-body was actually a very well designed car with a fairly advanced front suspension compared to other passenger cars of the day, and even the base model with a 225 slant six had a respectable power-to-weight ratio; the Volare and Aspen are lightweight cars, with even the 318-powered Wagon only tipping the scales at 3,300 lbs.

    Now, getting to the point where Willie actually left off, I can't say for certain how I'd have behaved since I wasn't there, but I don't think I'd have done what he did. I'm a pretty peaceful person, but my instinct when threatened is definitely more fight than flight.
  9. Deltaboy1984

    Deltaboy1984 Member

    Nov 21, 2008
    Johnson County Texas
    Willys story is a great reminder to stay Armed.
  10. Trent

    Trent Member

    Dec 6, 2010
    Well, you just never know, do you?

    Got reminded of this recently when my pickup truck caliper seized up and started smoking while I was driving home from town the other night. Just a quick run in to wally world to pick up some useless thing that I've already forgot about (probably potting soil for the garden).

    Smell smoke.

    "Oh that's not good."

    Stop the truck, get out, smoke rolling off the front right wheel. Take a peek and the rotor is glowing red hot.

    Not many people take that road.

    Called my boy and told him to bring a few gallons of water and a spray bottle so I could cool off the hub and limp my way back home. Took him a couple hours to finally get around to arriving... meanwhile, I'm in the dark, on a lonely country road, nary a person in miles...

    ... and I'm unarmed.

    Was just a quick trip to town, to get potting soil. Because I needed one bag to finish the veggie pots.

    I'm normally not one to get paranoid about bumps in the night or sitting in the dark. But I also don't like being stranded in the middle of nowhere with no other humans nearby without something that has a trigger to keep me company.

    Got me thinking about "how random things can happen at any time" and I decided that even on mundane trips, I was carrying all the time from then on. And I have.
  11. Leanwolf

    Leanwolf Member

    Mar 25, 2006
    Sounds like a wise move to me.

    I've always said that if I knew the time and place where someone might attack me... I just wouldn't go there. But as I'm neither prescient nor clairvoyant, I always go armed.

  12. downunderhunter

    downunderhunter Member

    Nov 24, 2013
    Yet another enjoyable post Mr Sutton, I was hoping people would play along as intended but can understand that your stories are such a great read that convincing them to do so may be nigh on impossible. All the best and have a safe trip.
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